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Darkumbra Jun 22, 2011 6:28 pm

Photo ID
 
Since 'photo ID' seems to be a growing trend in identification... And even a Costco card suffices sometimes, i think i'm going to create my own photo ID, laminated etc. The organization will be 'Dirac Angestun Gesept' just for giggles.

It might even be accepted more often than a nexus card.

cordelli Jun 22, 2011 8:24 pm

Ok, that's sure to work.

cyclonehokiece Jun 22, 2011 8:37 pm

Right, just like my student ID issued by a state university that has my photo and birthdate should work since it is government issued :p

Pesky Monkey Jun 22, 2011 8:40 pm


Originally Posted by cyclonehokiece (Post 16609952)
Right, just like my student ID issued by a state university that has my photo and birthdate should work since it is government issued :p

Or my U.S. government worker ID that was issued by the U.S. government, after a background check. Keep hope alive!

VelvetJones Jun 23, 2011 9:34 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 16609881)
Ok, that's sure to work.

I think the poster was being sarcastic, at least I hope so. The fact is that there are so many "official" IDs floating around that the chance of spotting a fake is near zero. This is one area where I think DHS had a valid point, and that was with the Real ID initiative. While I think it was a horrible and frightening idea, it did point out the flaw in the system. Accepting something just because it is printed on a laminated card with a reflective security sticker on it doesn't make it any more valid. Any stand-alone manufactured card can be faked, no matter how complex. They only full proof ID is one that links back to a database that can be verified on the spot.

cordelli Jun 23, 2011 10:15 am


Originally Posted by VelvetJones (Post 16612518)
I think the poster was being sarcastic

Pretty sure I understood that from the beginning.

I do remember once though arriving for a flight without an ID (it was in my pocket from the flight the night before) and the Delta agent went through what they would consider acceptable. This was before the current much stricter regulations. Anything with a government logo on it would be acceptable if I had anything else with a photo match. Do you have a voter registration card? Library card? Social Security Card? Yes, Yes, and Yes, but I don't carry them day to day.

Car registration? In the car. Get that and something with your picture and you will be OK. So that day I cleared security and flew from New York to Atlanta using a BJ's shopping card, and a registration for a Saab Convertible that was acceptable because it was issued by the State of Connecticut and had my name on it. That was a while ago, and I'm still loyal to that parking lot because I called and asked and they sent the bus driver back with my registration so I didn't have to go to the lot.

Global_Hi_Flyer Jun 23, 2011 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by VelvetJones (Post 16612518)
I think the poster was being sarcastic, at least I hope so. The fact is that there are so many "official" IDs floating around that the chance of spotting a fake is near zero. This is one area where I think DHS had a valid point, and that was with the Real ID initiative. While I think it was a horrible and frightening idea, it did point out the flaw in the system. Accepting something just because it is printed on a laminated card with a reflective security sticker on it doesn't make it any more valid. Any stand-alone manufactured card can be faked, no matter how complex. They only full proof ID is one that links back to a database that can be verified on the spot.

Please tell me how showing ID enhances air carrier security one iota.

N965VJ Jun 23, 2011 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 16613708)
Please tell me how showing ID enhances air carrier security one iota.

It secures their revenue. :p

VelvetJones Jun 23, 2011 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 16613708)
Please tell me how showing ID enhances air carrier security one iota.

Other than providing a last line of defense against some fanatical nutcase who buys a ticket using his real name, not much. That is why I never understood the reliance on it by the TSA. I suspect it has much more to do with tracking of the population then any real security.

mikemey Jun 23, 2011 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 16613708)
Please tell me how showing ID enhances air carrier security one iota.

Pick me! Pick me!

It doesn't. One iota.

Darkumbra Jun 23, 2011 2:33 pm


Originally Posted by VelvetJones (Post 16612518)
I think the poster was being sarcastic, at least

Yes and no. I am going to create a totally artifical ID... Correct photo, name, citizenship etc - but from a total fictional organization. It will 'look' official - these types of IDs have much in common - but it won't be real in any sense.

If it's ever accepted? It will be proof of how artificial the whole 'identify yourself' is.

Anyone want to be a card carrying member of THE WORLD ORDER OF AMBIGUITY? How about? THE SPANISH INQUISITION... (they'd never expect that)

//the world needs more humour and gentle craziness

Bicostal Jun 23, 2011 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by Darkumbra (Post 16609381)
Since 'photo ID' seems to be a growing trend in identification... And even a Costco card suffices sometimes, i think i'm going to create my own photo ID, laminated etc. The organization will be 'Dirac Angestun Gesept' just for giggles.

It might even be accepted more often than a nexus card.

I get aggravated by merchants asking for ID when I use my Mastercard. By Merchant Rules, they can't require it - but just for grins, I know have a MasterCrad International Id card - complete with hologram, logo, signature.

Haven't tried it with TSA.

Scubatooth Jun 23, 2011 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 16613708)
Please tell me how showing ID enhances air carrier security one iota.

That and how any blue shirt could pick one out unless it was such a bad job that a blind person could pick it out. Faking IDs isnt that hard just takes a little know how and any ID can be faked right down to TSAs own IDs and SIDAs...opps did i say that out loud ;).

I know of several groups that have "tested" TSA outside of there own "red teams" and the detection rate is a Zero, with the all time favorite being the Front Admiral (spoof of a rear admiral) Conch Republic Navy ID card that didn't get a second look. Yet real govt IDs get scrutinized, called fakes and the security clearances to get them is above what a 3 stripe gets.

N965VJ Jun 23, 2011 3:00 pm

Well this one won't get by an eagle eyed TDCer. That bottle is obviously over 3.4 ounces. :eek::D

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...7/6f9da45c.jpg

VelvetJones Jun 23, 2011 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by Darkumbra (Post 16614355)
Yes and no. I am going to create a totally artifical ID... Correct photo, name, citizenship etc - but from a total fictional organization. It will 'look' official - these types of IDs have much in common - but it won't be real in any sense.

If it's ever accepted? It will be proof of how artificial the whole 'identify yourself' is.

Anyone want to be a card carrying member of THE WORLD ORDER OF AMBIGUITY? How about? THE SPANISH INQUISITION... (they'd never expect that)

//the world needs more humour and gentle craziness

Hahaha. Reminds me of the lyrics to the song "Banditos" :

"Well give your ID card to the border guard
Yeah, your alias says you're Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Of the United Federation of Planets
'Cause he won't speak English anyway"

:D


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