FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Checkpoints and Borders Policy Debate (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/checkpoints-borders-policy-debate-687/)
-   -   Grieving man arrested for sagging pants on plane (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/checkpoints-borders-policy-debate/1226693-grieving-man-arrested-sagging-pants-plane.html)

peachfront Jun 18, 2011 2:40 pm

The fad has already passed. The fashion police should have arrested him if the LEO's didn't.



Originally Posted by TheRoadie (Post 16584775)

This fad too, shall pass. Faster if not a big deal is made over it. He's never going to get a job wearing that.


SFO777 Jun 18, 2011 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by Ellie M (Post 16584760)
So anyone who disagrees with you must be trolling? It must be nice up there. And you are aware that there is some past history with US and alleged racism? Particularly at PHL.

I thought Tawana Brawley was in NY.

Ellie M Jun 18, 2011 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by SFO777 (Post 16584811)
I thought Tawana Brawley was in NY.

http://articles.philly.com/2010-11-0...irways-workers

What began as a startling NAACP suit accusing US Airways Group Inc. of discriminating against its African American employees at Philadelphia International Airport has ended with a settlement and a pledge by the airport's largest carrier to strengthen workplace diversity.
. . . .
The NAACP alleged that US Airways managers referred to airport terminals where African Americans were predominantly assigned by derogatory code names, such as "Compton" or "Camden" in Terminal C - references to communities composed primarily of minorities - and "The Ghetto" in Terminal F.

Areas with more white employees were called "Frankford/South Philly" in Terminal B, and "King of Prussia" at international Terminals A-West and A-East, the lawsuit said.


edit to add: I don't think what happened with the football player was outright racism. I do believe his race (probably subconsciously) made it more likely that the crew would act to kick him off the plane. I just don't think there would be the same reaction had it been a white person. Given that it sounds like his skin was covered, it was his boxers that were showing apparently, I think it was a reaction to cultural mores (of the culture the crew was a part of) than actual indecent exposure.

PVDtoDEL Jun 18, 2011 3:37 pm

Look, the kid is an idiot. There are times when common sense should apply and not sticking up for your "rights". With the TSA, they grope you down and/or give you cancer, and that is worth sticking up for your rights about. But pulling up your pants (and just long enough to be out of the gate agents view, doesn't have to be permanent :rolleyes:) is not something worth fighting over. He should have just pulled up his pants, moved on, and then pulled them back down once out of the gate agent's view.

Ski-n-Fly Jun 18, 2011 3:53 pm

Why Deplane?
 
Can someone please explain why in the world they would deplane? Even if the man refused to get off the airplane why not just bring the cops on, remove him from the flight, off-load his bags and be on your way? Regardless if he should have been removed or not, once that decision has been made, why make it such a lenthy ordeal. Remove him from the flight and move on. Deplaning? Come-on.

PVDtoDEL Jun 18, 2011 5:14 pm

I'm gonna guess that's what they tried first. Remember, this guy was also booked for battery, so there is probably more to this story than what they are putting in the news ;)

UALOneKPlus Jun 18, 2011 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by Ellie M (Post 16584760)
So anyone who disagrees with you must be trolling? It must be nice up there.

And you are aware that there is some past history with US and alleged racism? Particularly at PHL.

YAWN...

I'm tired of the race card being over-played.

I'll stand up for civil rights as fervently as anyone else, but this...pleeeeeze...

TrojanHorse Jun 18, 2011 8:04 pm

just another reason (and there are many) that I don't fly US

I could have gotten in on the BWI-MAD early and the only reason I didn't was I can't stand US

POS in this case is Piece o $*** airlines

CDTraveler Jun 18, 2011 8:16 pm

Your perspective on this event may depend entirely on what article you read. One story I saw stated that after being asked to raise his pants by the GA, he forcibly shoved past him/her and went onto the plane, and that's why law enforcement was called, and why there was a battery/assault charge (not sure which it was). That piece made the event sound more like he pulled a DYKWIA than any "race card" being played by the airline.

Also, let's stop calling this person a "kid" - he's 20, not 12, and a college student. One would hope by that phase in someone's life that they have learned actions have consequences.

And does the fact that he had recently attended a funeral give him the right to disobey airline staff? Do the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of others who travel to funerals shove past GA's and disobey cabin staff? I see that as simply irrelevant, and a bid for sympathy, much in line with playing a "racism" card.

Ari Jun 19, 2011 12:00 am


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16584577)
I prefer option 3: people recognize what appropriate dress is, and come to the flight dressed appropriately.

I see you did not bother to answer my question as posed . . . :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16584577)
If someone comes to the flight with sagging pants, there is a potential for that person to be disruptive on the flight. I do not want the safety of my flight to be compromised because of this.

There is a potential for anyone to become disruptive on a flight; so far, I haven't seen sagging pants to be the telltale sign of such a propensity.


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16584577)
Wearing sagging pants is indicative of an anti-social behavior. I do not want an anti-social idiot on my flight who may cause harm to me or others.

Wow.


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16584577)
Wearing sagging pants signals that you do not care about society, others, the common rules of courtesy, and that you're either entirely self-absorbed, or you're trying to send an anarchist signal. Those are red flags in security.

Really; I see it as more of a conformist signal than an anarchist signal-- after all, he is just wearing what his friedns are wearing. He wants to be the same, not different. @:-)

By the way, are you a BDO? Perhaps we should add sagging pants to the list for EWR right after 'looking Mexican'.


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16584577)
Sagging pants became fashionable in prison ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion) ) I do not want someone who takes fashion cues from prisoners to be on a flight with me. If someone wants to dress like prisoners / gangsters, then they should perhaps consider living in a prison.

That's quite a leap; do you really think the guy knows where this 'fashion' originated? I imagine he does it becasuse that's what his friends wear, not because he is taking cues from prisoners.

We get it-- this is a pet peeve of yours for some reason yet to be revealed to us-- now grow up. Perhaps you should let your pants down some . . . might make more room for the stick.

UALOneKPlus Jun 19, 2011 12:11 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 16586630)
I see you did not bother to answer my question as posed . . . :rolleyes:



There is a potential for anyone to become disruptive on a flight; so far, I haven't seen sagging pants to be the telltale sign of such a propensity.



Wow.



Really; I see it as more of a conformist signal than an anarchist signal-- after all, he is just wearing what his friedns are wearing. He wants to be the same, not different. @:-)

By the way, are you a BDO? Perhaps we should add sagging pants to the list for EWR right after 'looking Mexican'.



That's quite a leap; do you really think the guy knows where this 'fashion' originated? I imagine he does it becasuse that's what his friends wear, not because he is taking cues from prisoners.

We get it-- this is a pet peeve of yours for some reason yet to be revealed to us-- now grow up. Perhaps you should let your pants down some . . . might make more room for the stick.

I am grown up. I don't walk outside showing my underwear. Perhaps you should consider doing the same. ;)

It's obvious this really bugs you. Tell us why you feel the need to show the world your underwear... go on, we're listening...

N1120A Jun 19, 2011 12:14 am


Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL (Post 16585374)
I'm gonna guess that's what they tried first. Remember, this guy was also booked for battery, so there is probably more to this story than what they are putting in the news ;)

Please. Look how many times cops pretend they are arresting people for "resisting" when there is nothing of the sort.


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16585586)
YAWN...

I'm tired of the race card being over-played.

I'm tired of the race card card being overplayed. Its done FAR more often than the actual "race card" being overplayed.


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16584534)
fyi WN has done this and I have no issues with it.

And for comparative purposes, this guy had his pants down to his thigh, with most of his skin tight underwear showing. If a woman came on board with most of her bra showing, you bet she would be thrown off the plane. Color would be irrelevant.

Those who think this is a racial issue must be trolling.

Skin tight? I thought the guy was wearing boxers. What if he was wearing bike shorts?

UALOneKPlus Jun 19, 2011 12:16 am


Originally Posted by N1120A (Post 16586668)
...I'm tired of the race card card being overplayed. Its done FAR more often than the actual "race card" being overplayed.

Obviously you're wrong. Because I'm a minority. I know when the race card is being played. ;)

What race are you?

Ari Jun 19, 2011 12:23 am


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16586658)
I am grown up. I don't walk outside showing my underwear. Perhaps you should consider doing the same.

It's obvious this really bugs you. Tell us why you feel the need to show the world your underwear... go on, we're listening...

No, the underwear thing really seems to bug you. I am not the one who wrote a treatise on why showing underwear in public will be the downfall of society. Furthermore, I don't t show my underwear in public. I'm not sure why you would believe that I do.

If you had bothered to read my previous posts, you'd have noted that what bugs me is the airline delaying a whole plane of passengers for 90 minutes to deal with someone's underwear showing, not some god-given right to show ones underwear on a plane. You'd also have noticed my post where I noted that US does have a dress clause in their COC if you were paying attnetion. You'd also note where I said I did not condone what he wore/did.

I just don't consider showing one's underwear to be indicitive of some sort of safety concern for the flight or other crisis and took umbrage at that implication.

N1120A Jun 19, 2011 12:34 am


Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus (Post 16586675)
Obviously you're wrong. Because I'm a minority. I know when the race card is being played. ;)

What race are you?

What does it matter what "race" I am? I'm a member of the human race, though I am a member of a regularly mistreated ethnic minority, particularly when it comes to transportation.

Anyway, I hear more about the "race card" than I actually hear complaints about bigoted mistreatment. Probably because of how ridiculous the concept of the "race card" is.


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 16586689)
No, the underwear thing really seems to bug you. I am not the one who wrote a treatise on why showing underwear in public will be the downfall of society. Furthermore, I don't t show my underwear in public. I'm not sure why you would believe that I do.

If you had bothered to read my previous posts, you'd have noted that what bugs me is the airline delaying a whole plane of passengers for 90 minutes to deal with someone's underwear showing, not some god-given right to show ones underwear on a plane. You'd also have noticed my post where I noted that US does have a dress clause in their COC if you were paying attnetion. You'd also note where I said I did not condone what he wore/did.

I just don't consider showing one's underwear to be indicitive of some sort of safety concern for the flight or other crisis and took umbrage at that implication.

This is so true. Big deal if you, me or some gate agent doesn't like it - the guy wasn't doing anything wrong and certainly nothing to delay a flight over.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 1:26 am.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.