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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 16214349)
You conveniently left narcotics off the list.
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 16214681)
Saved in case the original post was deleted.
Originally Posted by CalVol
(Post 16215320)
Well, I think it is a big deal when I had to waste an extra 20 minutes of my time getting the extra attention...(this after being made to wait about the same for the original grope)...and I really think it is a big deal when the TSO put his hand on my pennies!:mad:
Originally Posted by fishferbrains
(Post 16218142)
I can't believe the TSA machine wouldn't like a few "wins" under it's belt related to the scanners/puffers/etc. I don't think they've been any, can you recall one?
Originally Posted by fishferbrains
(Post 16218142)
As for proven "technology", they're called D-O-G-S. As they are a highly mobile and effective deterrent and screening force; why would we invest otherwise?
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16220468)
Dogs are 70% effective when they are working. And they have serious limitations as to when they “can” work, under what conditions, and are far more expensive than you might suspect not only to use but to train, maintain, and procure. Dogs have their place in the system, but are not the “be-all and end-all” of explosives detection.
Except the 70% figure is way too high. Like 70%. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16220468)
Good for you.
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Originally Posted by CalVol
(Post 16221049)
Thank you for verifying my observations regarding the character of the typical TSA employee.
2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to. Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get. 3. I honestly do not care what you think. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16221114)
1. What you feel about my fellow TSO's and myself is of no concern to me.
2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to. Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get. 3. I honestly do not care what you think. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16221114)
I honestly do not care what you think.
I will do everything in my power to see this travesty brought to an end. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16221114)
1. What you feel about my fellow TSO's and myself is of no concern to me.
2. You are going to believe whatever you choose to. Experience in this forum tells me that the likelihood of those belief's being based on objective fact is as close to zero as one can get. 3. I honestly do not care what you think. |
Originally Posted by fishferbrains
(Post 16218142)
As for proven "technology", they're called D-O-G-S. As they are a highly mobile and effective deterrent and screening force; why would we invest otherwise?
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16220468)
Dogs are 70% effective when they are working. And they have serious limitations as to when they “can” work, under what conditions, and are far more expensive than you might suspect not only to use but to train, maintain, and procure. Dogs have their place in the system, but are not the “be-all and end-all” of explosives detection. There is no such thing as 100% security anywhere in the world. Even if you stay home and do nothing, there could be a natural disaster and you could die. |
Originally Posted by average_passenger
(Post 16230528)
Well, I don't mean to cause any problems but it seems the scanners don't have a very good success rate either. They depend on the skills of the person in the viewing room. There have been stories of people sneaking guns past the scanners in testing done by the tsa themselves. Also, many passengers have false anomolies detected and need a pat-down afterward. Dogs are hard working animals that are loyal, bright, they don't complain, and they don't seem to be as mean as some (not all) tso's.
There is no such thing as 100% security anywhere in the world. Even if you stay home and do nothing, there could be a natural disaster and you could die. AIT is not a perfect technology (much as I might like it to be), it can only give us indications that there is something that needs a closer look. And that’s all that dogs can do, give us indications that a closer look needs to be made. Humans are still going to have to do the looking, and that means folks with the same job I have no matter the technology telling us. There is no perfect technology. Sorry, that is a pretty obvious fact. One other pretty obvious fact is that the AIT does not bite or poop on the floor. Each has its faults, just as each has its advantages. The TSA uses both technologies, each in its most appropriate place. |
Why is this?
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16230657)
TSO’s are not allowed to communicate to the searching officer what the item may be, only a generic area of the body that may contain it.
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Originally Posted by average_passenger
(Post 16230528)
There have been stories of people sneaking guns past the scanners in testing done by the tsa themselves.
1) The TSA lacks the skills to use their shiny new toys in an effective fashion. We've repeatedly heard from various TSA employees that they're simply unable to train their personnel to read the images on the scanner. I speculate whether this is because the TSA doesn't have anyone with those skills to train others, or because the majority of TSA employees are simply untrainable. 2) The scanner doesn't detect the threats that it was supposedly "necessary" to detect - underwear bombs and guns. A metal detector would have caught the gun every time in the 5x5 failure in DFW. |
Since TSA employees are 30% or less effective when working and TSA equipment is 0% effective when working, the dogs win hands down.
70% effective! Wow. They're the best we've got. http://whatsupyasieve.files.wordpres...09/flash_l.jpg The nation's problems solved. I feel safer already. Further, dogs are brilliant at discerning human character and intentions. They'll run rings around any BDO. Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs. |
Originally Posted by ElizabethConley
(Post 16231180)
Since TSA employees are 30% or less effective when working and TSA equipment is 0% effective when working, the dogs win hands down.
70% effective! Wow. They're the best we've got. http://whatsupyasieve.files.wordpres...09/flash_l.jpg The nation's problems solved. I feel safer already. Further, dogs are brilliant at discerning human character and intentions. They'll run rings around any BDO. Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs. |
Originally Posted by ElizabethConley
(Post 16231180)
Maybe it's that canine perceptiveness the TSA finds so objectionable about dogs.
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