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Hmmm... Fireworks use Black Powder.. which (unlike modern Smokeless propellant) IS actually an "Explosive"*... (not a terribly efficient/powerful one of course) but an explosive nonetheless...
* classified as "1.1D" on the NATO system IIRC... Wonder if that's why the "puffer" machines alarmed? They actually worked????:eek: |
Originally Posted by CalVol
(Post 16213547)
I will be sending letters along with receipts to the SAN airport authority, county commission and city council with an explanation as to why.
I'm going to attempt to be a one man crusade to let the city know they are losing money because they allow this unconstitutional charade to take place in our city. I don't know if it will have an impact. But who knows, maybe I will be the one squeaky wheel that gets some attention. I've already sent such letters to the mayor, airport manager, and convention bureau in STL. Since it's now been 2 months since the TSA Contact Center promised I would hear from a customer service manager at SAN regarding my 30 minute detention for declining the free cancer dose, I will be giving the leaders of San Diego some "nice" letters, as well. CalVol, keep it up! |
Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 16214821)
Wonder if that's why the "puffer" machines alarmed? They actually worked????:eek:
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16213787)
Yes, its not really all that uncommon. Explosives are used not just by terrorists and the military but by quite a few different commercial concerns and police agencies. Hence the reason we dont make a big deal out of it, its about like finding a 1955 penny in a bucket full of pennies.
It's also a big deal that my tax dollars are being used to abuse to me and anyone else who happens to want or need to fly!!! Then throw in the cavalier attitude of the folks paid to abuse us and, well, I better stop now before being sent to the penalty box.:mad: |
Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 16214821)
Hmmm... Fireworks use Black Powder.. which (unlike modern Smokeless propellant) IS actually an "Explosive"*... (not a terribly efficient/powerful one of course) but an explosive nonetheless...
* classified as "1.1D" on the NATO system IIRC... |
Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 16209394)
Avoid the firing range?
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem. I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir.... NO result... So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range! :D I'm convinced that the machine is just a random number generator. |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 16214041)
If we were to make a big deal out of incidents such as you describe what purpose would it serve?
It can ‘eh? Can you provide us with a link to such technology please? I for one would be very interested in reviewing the technical specifications. As for proven "technology", they're called D-O-G-S. As they are a highly mobile and effective deterrent and screening force; why would we invest otherwise? |
Originally Posted by Combat Medic
(Post 16218069)
I have a good friend that used one backpack for a year carrying mines, grenades, and C4. A month later he used it as a carry on and the TSA's swabs didn't find anything.
I'm convinced that the machine is just a random number generator. Just another page out of the play? |
Originally Posted by fishferbrains
(Post 16218142)
As for proven "technology", they're called D-O-G-S. As they are a highly mobile and effective deterrent and screening force; why would we invest otherwise?
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I had a swap alert in MIA a couple months ago. TSO walked over to the other machine. It gave an all clear and I was on my way.
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Originally Posted by barbell
(Post 16218409)
Michael Chertoff isn't selling any. That's why.
bingo! Look up the political donations given by L3 corp over the past several years. L3 is just one of the defense companies that has co-opted our congress and that is why you should expect to see a succession of rollouts of more and more "crowd control" types of technology. You cannot make a lot of profits growing and training the D-O-G technology. |
Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 16209394)
Avoid the firing range?
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem. I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir.... NO result... So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range! :D If you have fired a weapon, wash your hands with hydrogen peroxide. |
Originally Posted by jbdk
(Post 16219353)
If you have fired a weapon, wash your hands with hydrogen peroxide.
For example one brand of contact clearner is peroxide based and TSA will alert on it and confiscate the item. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 16219429)
Isn't peroxide based components one of the chemicals that TSA is looking for?
For example one brand of contact clearner is peroxide based and TSA will alert on it and confiscate the item. |
Originally Posted by trooper
(Post 16209394)
Avoid the firing range?
I travel to the USA regularly for target shooting competitions... so lots of my clothes/gear would be well contaminated by residue from the smokeless propellants I use.. especially my range bag which has done double duty as my carry on... never had a problem. I have even travelled with a powder thrower.. had THAT in my carry on (it's an expensive item and not terribly rugged) and presumably because it was an unusual looking thing they took it out of the bag and wiped the swab around the interior of the powder reservoir.... NO result... So.. from that experience.. I wouldn't be real concerned about flying after being at the range! :D |
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