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Originally Posted by N1120A
(Post 17238295)
Get back to us when you can find a little better source.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/...s/misc/360.pdf Department of Justice good enough? |
Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT
(Post 17238137)
I am really surprised how many of usually reasonable posters make it a point to condemn WN and the F/A for their action. Does no one remember, why all of us are in this horrible security situation in the U.S? Who caused all of this? Which group of people did this to us?
No need to flame me, but I feel targeted by TSA because I am old and walk with a cane, Mrs. EX is targeted TSA/CBP because she is Asian as are our kids, mother in law is targeted by TSA because she wears a medical device after fighting cancer, then certainly other people should be targeted as well especially if there is a good reason, and be without recourse just like me. On the ground and in the air. |
Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT
(Post 17238137)
I am really surprised how many of usually reasonable posters make it a point to condemn WN and the F/A for their action. Does no one remember, why all of us are in this horrible security situation in the U.S? Who caused all of this? Which group of people did this to us?
No need to flame me, but I feel targeted by TSA because I am old and walk with a cane, Mrs. EX is targeted TSA/CBP because she is Asian as are our kids, mother in law is targeted by TSA because she wears a medical device after fighting cancer, then certainly other people should be targeted as well especially if there is a good reason, and be without recourse just like me. On the ground and in the air. |
Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT
Does no one remember, why all of us are in this horrible security situation in the U.S? Who caused all of this? Which group of people did this to us?
A crime was committed. A mass murder. But it was not a sufficient reason to change our form of government. It was just a convenient excuse for our government to seize power and that is exactly what they have done. But human rights are a zero sum game. The more rights our government has the fewer we have. The government and their police enforcers now have more freedom and we have less. Mohamed Atta did not force us to change our system of government. We did it to ourselves. And if we are that cowardly it was inevitable. It would have happened eventually even if that merry band of suicide bombers hadn't taken out the world trade center. |
Originally Posted by gojirasan
(Post 17239504)
I remember quite well. I believe it was the neoconservatives under the Bush dynasty with the support and cooperation of the cowardly sheeple that now seem to make up the majority in this country. The blame can also be extended to Obama who never saw a civil rights violation that he didn't like. In the past liberals had usually been more supportive of civil rights. Obama is the start of a new trend where both parties in our two party dictatorship are equally enthusiastic about our new police state. When these people say 'anything to stop the terrorists' they really mean anything.
A crime was committed. A mass murder. But it was not a sufficient reason to change our form of government. It was just a convenient excuse for our government to seize power and that is exactly what they have done. But human rights are a zero sum game. The more rights our government has the fewer we have. The government and their police enforcers now have more freedom and we have less. Mohamed Atta did not force us to change our system of government. We did it to ourselves. And if we are that cowardly it was inevitable. It would have happened eventually even if that merry band of suicide bombers hadn't taken out the world trade center. |
Originally Posted by Combat Medic
(Post 17240510)
Before you place all the blame on the neoconservatives, you should remember that our sitting liberal president just ordered the assassination of a US Citizen without any judicial oversight.
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Originally Posted by Combat Medic
(Post 17240510)
Before you place all the blame on the neoconservatives, you should remember that our sitting liberal president just ordered the assassination of a US Citizen without any judicial oversight.
But let's be fair. They are the ones who started this nonsense with the patriot act and the new millennium police state with more of a focus on internal threats, on domestic extremists, than on any external foe. The war on terror is like the war on drugs. It is really a war against Americans, a war against ourselves. I am no fan of Obama and summary executions of US citizens without a trial is not something to take lightly. Obama is just carrying the torch, allowing the police state to move forward. Soon summary executions without a trial, or with a farce trial where guilt is presumed, will become more common. You can see the future in people's attitudes toward anyone accused of terrorism. No proof or even any real evidence is necessary. To be accused is to be guilty. |
Originally Posted by gojirasan
(Post 17240586)
Did you read my post? I don't see how it could be interpreted as placing all the blame on the neoconservatives.
But let's be fair. They are the ones who started this nonsense with the patriot act and the new millennium police state with more of a focus on internal threats, on domestic extremists, than on any external foe. The war on terror is like the war on drugs. It is really a war against Americans, a war against ourselves. I am no fan of Obama and summary executions of US citizens without a trial is not something to take lightly. Obama is just carrying the torch, allowing the police state to move forward. Soon summary executions without a trial, or with a farce trial where guilt is presumed, will become more common. You can see the future in people's attitudes toward anyone accused of terrorism. No proof or even any real evidence is necessary. To be accused is to be guilty. |
Originally Posted by Combat Medic
(Post 17241470)
I point you to the Duke Lacrosse . . case . . .
. . . but this has little to do with the OP, so back on topic: The most important goal of this lawsuit must to be to modify the behaivor of airline crews. A fat check from the carrier everyone LUVs to hate will acomplish nothing-- it will be considered the cost of doing business. It never ceases to amaze me how fast CAIR shows up after one of these-- they are the ambulance chasers of Muslims in the post-9/11 airline climate. Would it kill them to wait more than 2 hours to come out with a statement of outrage-- being Muhammud on the spot every time makes them look somewhat seedy in my opinion. |
Originally Posted by Combat Medic
(Post 17238378)
Here you go:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/...s/misc/360.pdf Department of Justice good enough? |
Originally Posted by N1120A
(Post 17242260)
I don't particularly trust the FBI when it comes to telling the truth about a special interest group that they decide to target
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Look guys, I am in my seventies. If a pilot of F/A does not fell comfortable with a passenger, regardless of what race, religion, height, weight or whatever criteria you want to throw in, they should have the absolute right to remove this person from that particular flight. Had they removed one of the groups at 9/11 maybe one or two buildings would still stand. Would you have pressed on for suits and damages than as well?
These ( yes these and I mean musliins, which now seems to be politically incorrect because they destroyed the towers but seemingly have nothing to do with it ) people go through TSA without problem. Show me one post by a muslim being targeted and patted down and [B]complaining on FT!!! B[/But look at the cancer stricken people, breast cancer victims, or as in my life, my mother in law with the colostomy bag. And contrary what you guys are wishing for, no money for us:mad: |
Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 17241848)
That was an unusual situation with a rogue prosecutor, rogue police investigators, vengful community, intrigued media, pitiful and untruthful 'victim' and Nancy Grace; it is not really a fair paradigm for the US justice system. The closest thing to the Duke Lacrosse case in recent history is Amanda Knox.
. . . but this has little to do with the OP, so back on topic: The most important goal of this lawsuit must to be to modify the behaivor of airline crews. A fat check from the carrier everyone LUVs to hate will acomplish nothing-- it will be considered the cost of doing business. It never ceases to amaze me how fast CAIR shows up after one of these-- they are the ambulance chasers of Muslims in the post-9/11 airline climate. Would it kill them to wait more than 2 hours to come out with a statement of outrage-- being Muhammud on the spot every time makes them look somewhat seedy in my opinion. |
Originally Posted by Ari
(Post 17241848)
It never ceases to amaze me how fast CAIR shows up after one of these-- they are the ambulance chasers of Muslims in the post-9/11 airline climate. Would it kill them to wait more than 2 hours to come out with a statement of outrage-- being Muhammud on the spot every time makes them look somewhat seedy in my opinion.
It's in their contacts. Everybody is prepared except a white guy. What a country:mad: |
Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT
(Post 17242931)
Look guys, I am in my seventies. If a pilot of F/A does not fell comfortable with a passenger, regardless of what race, religion, height, weight or whatever criteria you want to throw in, they should have the absolute right to remove this person from that particular flight. Had they removed one of the groups at 9/11 maybe one or two buildings would still stand. Would you have pressed on for suits and damages than as well?
These ( yes these and I mean musliins, which now seems to be politically incorrect because they destroyed the towers but seemingly have nothing to do with it ) people go through TSA without problem. Show me one post by a muslim being targeted and patted down and [B]complaining on FT!!! B[/But look at the cancer stricken people, breast cancer victims, or as in my life, my mother in law with the colostomy bag. And contrary what you guys are wishing for, no money for us:mad: By the way, what's your opinion of the Japanese internment camps? Just curious.
Originally Posted by EXLEFTSEAT
(Post 17243034)
Surely she must have called.
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