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CavePearl Feb 16, 2011 12:05 pm

It may not be "ha-ha" funny, but this is what I say nearly every time to the young screeners that feel me up. I talk non-stop and usually loudly so everyone around me hears what I have to say.

First I tell the screener that I always opt out of the WBIs, but especially the kind that produce an unknown amount of radiation because I have thyroid cancer (none of their business but true) and that my cancer is the kind often caused by radiation exposure as a child. I talk about how I can't believe that the government is forcing people, especially children to go through the machine that might cause them cancer.

Then I tell them that the cumulative effect of radiation can cause sterility. I turn on my most intense worried "mom" face and try to drum up a few tears as I tell them how sorry I am for their mother. I tell them how it hurts me that they have to stand next to this radiation everyday. "Because of your job, your mother may never know the joy of holding your children. I feel so bad for you and her.... Bless your hearts."

Almost every time as my story goes on, they start rushing to get me out of there.

Mr. Pearl on the other hand, tells them (while they are stroking his arms) that he has these bumps in his skin from armpit to elbow and invites the screeners to feel them. Then he says the doctor doesn't think they are contagious but wonders if he should get a second opinion or just keep using the cream. :D

Air Koryo Feb 16, 2011 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by CavePearl (Post 15876468)
...First I tell the screener that I always opt out of the WBIs, but especially the kind that produce an unknown amount of radiation because I have thyroid cancer (none of their business but true) and that my cancer is the kind often caused by radiation exposure as a child. I talk about how I can't believe that the government is forcing people, especially children to go through the machine that might cause them cancer.

Then I tell them that the cumulative effect of radiation can cause sterility. I turn on my most intense worried "mom" face and try to drum up a few tears as I tell them how sorry I am for their mother. I tell them how it hurts me that they have to stand next to this radiation everyday. "Because of your job, your mother may never know the joy of holding your children. I feel so bad for you and her....

BRUTAL! I almost feel bad for those obese SOB's.

Allan38103 Feb 16, 2011 12:36 pm

Just be honest. If it bothers you, say so. Don't joke abolut it. If you're sarcastic, you lower yourself to their level. Don't make light of it, don't ignore it.

In a clear, firm but respectful, voice tell him/her that you do not appreciate him/her doing that to you. You are merely exercising your 1st Amendment right to offer your opinion.

What if EVERYONE told them how they honestly feel about it? The cumulative effect would be astounding.

FliesWay2Much Feb 16, 2011 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by CavePearl (Post 15876468)
It may not be "ha-ha" funny, but this is what I say nearly every time to the young screeners that feel me up. I talk non-stop and usually loudly so everyone around me hears what I have to say.

First I tell the screener that I always opt out of the WBIs, but especially the kind that produce an unknown amount of radiation because I have thyroid cancer (none of their business but true) and that my cancer is the kind often caused by radiation exposure as a child. I talk about how I can't believe that the government is forcing people, especially children to go through the machine that might cause them cancer.

Then I tell them that the cumulative effect of radiation can cause sterility. I turn on my most intense worried "mom" face and try to drum up a few tears as I tell them how sorry I am for their mother. I tell them how it hurts me that they have to stand next to this radiation everyday. "Because of your job, your mother may never know the joy of holding your children. I feel so bad for you and her.... Bless your hearts."

Almost every time as my story goes on, they start rushing to get me out of there.

Mr. Pearl on the other hand, tells them (while they are stroking his arms) that he has these bumps in his skin from armpit to elbow and invites the screeners to feel them. Then he says the doctor doesn't think they are contagious but wonders if he should get a second opinion or just keep using the cream. :D

In your case, and being female, the "grandmother/grandchild" thing is BRILLIANT! We guys have limited options. More guys than women are sex offenders, so maybe the "Do you like doing this to children?" question which someone posted earlier might be the most effective attack. An approach like this really gives us the upper hand.

I posted before about a recent opt-out at Dulles. The 20-something clerkette struck up a conversation with me while I was waiting for the groping to begin. I told her about the Hopkins report and that they expressed concern about long-terrm exposure inside of a few feet from the machine. (She was almost leaning on it.) She said, "Well, we can all worry about this in 40 years when we all get cancer." My response stopped her in her tracks and she got plae in the face: "Missy, have you ever watched someone die of cancer?"

This question might be a good way to end a conversation about the real cancer risks of the machines when the clerk tells you it's perfectly safe.

T-the-B Feb 16, 2011 12:47 pm

How about this?

"I will comply with your administrative search procedure for the sole purpose of identifying weapons, explosives and incendiaries. I do not consent to any search that goes beyond that narrow definition and I reserve all rights regarding legal action in case any part of your actions go beyond the limits of such a strictly limited, administrative search."

PlatinumScum Feb 16, 2011 12:57 pm

Please hurry up so I can stop your co-workers from stealing my stuff.

wiredboy10003 Feb 16, 2011 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 15876695)
She said, "Well, we can all worry about this in 40 years when we all get cancer." My response stopped her in her tracks and she got plae in the face: "Missy, have you ever watched someone die of cancer?"

This question might be a good way to end a conversation about the real cancer risks of the machines when the clerk tells you it's perfectly safe.

Interesting way to approach this. You managed to flip things around so that in a sense, she was disrespecting you with her comment.

Al Coholic Feb 16, 2011 1:19 pm

- Why are you opting out?
- Oh, for the same reason you are wearing lead jockstrap... what, you are NOT? They didn't ISSUE you one? Oh, well, hope you already had all the kids you wanted.

bajajoes Feb 16, 2011 1:28 pm

Ask Them?
 
;) I wonder how effective it would be to ask: "Do you enjoy doing this"?

If they said YES, look at them with disdain.:(
If they say NO, say: "I would think not"!:rolleyes:

yknot Feb 16, 2011 1:29 pm

"Do you like gladiator movies?"

"Have you ever been to a Turkish Bath?"

caughtinthemiddle Feb 16, 2011 2:16 pm


Originally Posted by T-the-B (Post 15876724)
How about this?

"I will comply with your administrative search procedure for the sole purpose of identifying weapons, explosives and incendiaries. I do not consent to any search that goes beyond that narrow definition and I reserve all rights regarding legal action in case any part of your actions go beyond the limits of such a strictly limited, administrative search."

You already gave your consent when you bought your ticket. It is called impiled consent. You comply with the search or you dont fly.

celticwhisper Feb 16, 2011 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by caughtinthemiddle (Post 15877341)
You already gave your consent when you bought your ticket. It is called impiled consent. You comply with the search or you dont fly.

Fair enough, then what we want is to change this by any lawful means necessary so that it is no longer implied consent and so that buying a ticket no longer constitutes consenting to a search or forfeiting any rights whatsoever.

The TSA is wrong, the TSA is unnecessary, the TSA is evil and the TSA must be stopped.

nachtnebel Feb 16, 2011 2:29 pm


Originally Posted by caughtinthemiddle (Post 15877341)
You already gave your consent when you bought your ticket. It is called impiled consent. You comply with the search or you dont fly.

First, this is duress
Second, some rights cannot be waived in this fashion. It is illegal, per the 4th Amendment, for a federal government agency to require it.

T-the-B Feb 16, 2011 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by caughtinthemiddle (Post 15877341)
You already gave your consent when you bought your ticket. It is called impiled consent. You comply with the search or you dont fly.

If I understand correctly, consent is given when the passenger begins the screening process by placing his items on the conveyor belt although it may be at the point when the passenger presents himself at the TDC station. I could buy a thousand tickets and there is no implied consent to search me all.

But this discussion begs the question: "To what, exactly did I give my implied consent?"

Could a TSA agent demand that I walk back to the parking lot and let him look in the trunk of my car? Can the TSA agent demand a urine sample to check for drug use? Can he compel me to disclose my bank account numbers? Clearly (or so I hope) the answer is no.

My understanding is that consent is implied solely for an administrative search for weapons, explosives and incendiaries and that anything beyond that is outside the bounds of what the courts have approved. I'm definitely not a lawyer, but i don't think the administrative search exemption to the 4th amendment is a blank check for TSA to do anything they want. I may be wrong on this, but I think not.

Assuming I am correct, I don't see anything wrong with reminding the TSA-DM in question that there are limits to what he is permitted to do and that I retain all rights and options for action if he exceeds them.

DIFIN Feb 16, 2011 2:40 pm

As the groper turns to leave I say in a loud voice " hey sweetie, aren't you going to kiss me?"

Also as I have my arms outstretched, I have both my middle fingers outstreched in the one finger salute.

:D


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