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exbayern Dec 10, 2010 11:24 pm

'Removal of shoes is now optional' - true?
 
I am assuming that this poster means in the US, but that certainly has not been my experience in the last 24 hours.


Originally Posted by Umi206 (Post 15425569)
I'm not sure what "fat cow" you are referring to, but removal of shoes is now optional. If you do elect to remove them, you must NOT place them in a bin (as in the past) but instead put them directly on the belt isolated from any other items.


birdstrike Dec 10, 2010 11:41 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 15425600)
I am assuming that this poster means in the US, but that certainly has not been my experience in the last 24 hours.

The response you quoted was so confused as to be meaningless I'm afraid.

ahulett Dec 10, 2010 11:44 pm

Sure, you can leave them on, but you won't get to fly today.

exbayern Dec 10, 2010 11:48 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 15425632)
The response you quoted was so confused as to be meaningless I'm afraid.

I believe that the poster I quoted is a TSO. However according to the TSA website

(Revised to add that poster may not be a TSO, and with anything, consider the source and judge accordingly)


Yes, you are required to remove your shoes before you enter the walk-through metal detector. This includes all types of footwear.

Due to the Homeland Security threat level being raised for the U.S. aviation sector worldwide this is critical to protect the world's travelers who transit by air to and from the United States.

Our Security Officers will ask that you remove your shoes before entering the metal detector based on the fact that many types of footwear can be used to carry prohibited items. When a Security Officer asks you to remove your shoes, please do. If you refuse, you will not be able to board your flight.

You are required to remove your shoes before you enter the walk-through metal detector. All types of footwear must be placed on the X-ray machine to be screened. If you do not comply with Security Officers, you will not be allowed to board your flight
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...g/index.shtm#3

birdstrike Dec 10, 2010 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 15425646)
I believe that the poster I quoted is a TSO.

Good mental hygiene suggests ignoring anything a TSO says. If they don't personally lie, they will repeat lies from further up. If shoe removal becomes optional, it will be page one or two on your local news.

exbayern Dec 10, 2010 11:59 pm

Not to worry; I'm not using a clear gallon sized bag for my liquids either. ;)

FriendlySkies Dec 10, 2010 11:59 pm

Yet another clerk that claims the rules have changed.. First no size restriction on baggies, and now no shoes? :rolleyes:

Umi206 Dec 11, 2010 12:00 am

There was a new TSA rule posted on a big sign (along with other rules) for everyone to see as they entered the security line. The rule stated that removing shoes is optional. I saw this rule at both Hilo, Hawaii International Airport yesterday morning and at Honolulu International Airport Interisland terminal upon returning yesterday afternoon. The agents were also telling passengers that they could leave their shoes on. Most of us removed them anyway and put them in the bins. The agents removed all shoes from the bins before they entered the Xray machine and put them separately on the belt apart from any other items.

FriendlySkies Dec 11, 2010 12:01 am

I was just in HNL and saw no such sign. I'll also contact a friend, and FTer, that works for ATC at Hilo.

LuvAirFrance Dec 11, 2010 12:02 am

"No footwear". So bare feet, then?

FriendlySkies Dec 11, 2010 12:04 am


Originally Posted by Umi206 (Post 15425683)
There was a new TSA rule posted on a big sign (along with other rules) for everyone to see as they entered the security line. The rule stated that removing shoes is optional. I saw this rule at both Hilo, Hawaii International Airport yesterday morning and at Honolulu International Airport Interisland terminal upon returning yesterday afternoon. The agents were also telling passengers that they could leave their shoes on. Most of us removed them anyway and put them in the bins. The agents removed all shoes from the bins before they entered the Xray machine and put them separately on the belt apart from any other items.

Why can't the shoes be in a bin? If they can be inside a rollerboard, then what's wrong with the bin? :confused:

birdstrike Dec 11, 2010 12:08 am


Originally Posted by Umi206 (Post 15425683)
The agents were also telling passengers that they could leave their shoes on. Most of us removed them anyway and put them in the bins.

That is very, very scary. Why would "Most" people do something that was pointless from day one if it were no longer required today?

saizai Dec 11, 2010 12:13 am


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15425697)
Why can't the shoes be in a bin? If they can be inside a rollerboard, then what's wrong with the bin? :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBHVWXt3Lwc :rolleyes:

N830MH Dec 11, 2010 12:48 am


Originally Posted by saizai (Post 15425725)

Why we don't eliminated the shoes screening? I knows it is nothing wrong with those shoes. You probably know that I am very good traveler experience for a long time. Because the passengers who had it right to kept their shoes on and you will not required to take off the shoes at checkpoint.

Umi206 Dec 11, 2010 1:29 am


Originally Posted by FriendlySkies (Post 15425688)
I was just in HNL and saw no such sign. I'll also contact a friend, and FTer, that works for ATC at Hilo.

What terminal were you at in Honolulu? I saw the sign at the Interisland terminal.

I was not amused that TSA didn't show up in Hilo until almost 6AM. I arrived at 5AM for a 6:23AM flight, and so did others, and we could not go through security because there was no one there. I was also surprised that there was no one searching our vehicles as we entered the parking lot and figured that was because it was so early in the morning. (I have never taken that first flight before in all the years I have lived in Hilo so I wasn't sure what to expect).


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