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Boggie Dog Nov 22, 2010 11:06 am


Originally Posted by spd476 (Post 15239765)
I'm still confused about whether the new scanners will damage the pump or not. I refuse to send it through the x-ray machine because Animas specifically says not to do that.

If I get selected for the NoS, I might as well take the pat down. The pump is going to show up and most likely get me the pat down anyway. I'm still curious if the NoS will damage the pump. I haven't heard anything verifying it either way.

I doubt (don't know for sure) that either kind of WBI would damage your pump but it would be seen and have to be resolved by pat down anyhow.

Why risk damaging your pump if your likely to bet patted down regardless?

MusicCityMom Nov 22, 2010 8:26 pm

I personally will not go into the WBI for many reasons, including the fact that I wear a Medtronic pump and a CGM. Nor will I every let these morons tell me to disconnect my pump. So they can contaminate it or break it by dropping it on the floor while swabbing it? I won't allow them to swab it either.
I did have an idiot ask me to take the pump off when I refused the WBI in SAN. My response so surprised him that he just let me go through the WTMD and no pat down occurred-but that was in October. I am fortunate that I am a physician and let them know that right up front so it has helped me so far-not sure it will in the future.
TSA needs to give these illiterate morons laminated sheets showing pictures of all medical devices so they won't have to do any "thinking" on their own about whether it's a real device or not.
eyecue is an absolute idiot for trying to tell any diabetic anything about their equipment or disease. And that kind of" advice" could be prosecuted for practicing medicine without credentials-I am waiting to use that on the next dolt who tries to make me disconnect and will summon a policeman so I can charge them with that offense.

catandmouse Dec 8, 2010 8:36 am

I've been filling in my original post as I've travelled, but gave up as most of the time it was repeating itself - most security staff seem to recognize the pump for what it is and just give me a pat down. I haven't had anything intrusive, though once at Brussels, one smurf wanted me to lift up my shirt to see where the tube went to (I was in a private viewing area. Other times at BRU it was just business at usual.
However I recently flew to CMB via AMM. Nothing to report at CMB, but both ways in AMM they had no idea what insulin or diabetes was, let alone an insulin pump. They insisted it come off me. On the way out a supervisor finally came over, gave me a quick patdown and I was on my way. On the return trip, they insisted again I take the pump off, so in the end I just stripped my shirt off (to the amusement of pax behind me) so that the idiot could see that the tube went into my body and the pump couldn't be detached:D. He then condescended to give me a very quick pat down, with a quick look at the pump.
As others have pointed out Medtronic says their pumps shouldn't go through the X-ray machines, though they obviously say nothing about the new body scanners. However as these are also X-ray based, I would prefer not to send the pumps through those either. As they would in any case be detected as an anomaly with a resulting pat down, I reckon you're probably better off going straight to the pat down (without passing GO and collecting 200$).

jamesdenver Dec 8, 2010 12:30 pm

Does anyone with a pump also use a CGM (constant glucose meter?)

With the Medtronic Paradigm pump the CGM sensor is an additional piece of equipment (secondary to your infusion site.)

Having used it on and off over the past couple years I can attest the CGM site and sensor is FAR more sensative to touch than the infusion site - and there's no way I'd let anyone forcefully pat it or feel it up. (I usually would wear in on my outer thigh, with the infusion site on the other thigh)

FaustsAccountant Dec 8, 2010 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by MusicCityMom (Post 15246973)
I personally will not go into the WBI for many reasons, including the fact that I wear a Medtronic pump and a CGM. Nor will I every let these morons tell me to disconnect my pump. So they can contaminate it or break it by dropping it on the floor while swabbing it? I won't allow them to swab it either.
I did have an idiot ask me to take the pump off when I refused the WBI in SAN. My response so surprised him that he just let me go through the WTMD and no pat down occurred-but that was in October. I am fortunate that I am a physician and let them know that right up front so it has helped me so far-not sure it will in the future.
TSA needs to give these illiterate morons laminated sheets showing pictures of all medical devices so they won't have to do any "thinking" on their own about whether it's a real device or not.
eyecue is an absolute idiot for trying to tell any diabetic anything about their equipment or disease. And that kind of" advice" could be prosecuted for practicing medicine without credentials-I am waiting to use that on the next dolt who tries to make me disconnect and will summon a policeman so I can charge them with that offense.

The uniform shirt and plastic badge give the TSO instant magically medical knowledge that trumps any medical training and license, as well as any and all equipment manufacturers.

TSORon Dec 8, 2010 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by catandmouse (Post 15406066)
As others have pointed out Medtronic says their pumps shouldn't go through the X-ray machines, though they obviously say nothing about the new body scanners. However as these are also X-ray based, I would prefer not to send the pumps through those either. As they would in any case be detected as an anomaly with a resulting pat down, I reckon you're probably better off going straight to the pat down (without passing GO and collecting 200$).

Only some of the AIT systems use X-rays. The kind with the 2 blue boxes. The other with the booth that you stand in uses a different type of energy more like radio or radar than X-rays.

4nsicdoc Feb 18, 2011 10:21 am


Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 15410192)
Only some of the AIT systems use X-rays. The kind with the 2 blue boxes. The other with the booth that you stand in uses a different type of energy more like radio or radar than X-rays.

Oh, so now the TSO is a physics expert. X-rays, radio and radar are all exactly the same kind of energy - electromagnetic energy, mediated by photons. Just more lies from the TSA. Since this lie was from a TSO who loudly proclaims his role as such, I think we all should contact the TSA IG at 866-289-9673 and complain about the lies being spread by TSOs

doober Feb 18, 2011 10:32 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 15889385)
Oh, so now the TSO is a physics expert. X-rays, radio and radar are all exactly the same kind of energy - electromagnetic energy, mediated by photons. Just more lies from the TSA. Since this lie was from a TSO who loudly proclaims his role as such, I think we all should contact the TSA IG at 866-289-9673 and complain about the lies being spread by TSOs

^^ and :D

Often1 Feb 19, 2011 10:28 am

Have never had a problem with pump, infusion site, or cgm site (sensor + transmitter). While I almost never alert system, on those very few occasions where I do or where MWI or other enhanced scan is in place, have found that TSO's are generally well-trained and will specifically ask about site(s). No different than any injury or bruise, if you tell the TSO, you won't likely have a problem.

It's all about being polite, but firm. There is no reason to be agressive or threatening.

Loren Pechtel Feb 19, 2011 10:35 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 15889385)
Oh, so now the TSO is a physics expert. X-rays, radio and radar are all exactly the same kind of energy - electromagnetic energy, mediated by photons. Just more lies from the TSA. Since this lie was from a TSO who loudly proclaims his role as such, I think we all should contact the TSA IG at 866-289-9673 and complain about the lies being spread by TSOs

I think he's describing the millimeter wave units.

4nsicdoc Feb 19, 2011 11:19 am


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 15894581)
I think he's describing the millimeter wave units.

If he is, then it is a perfect example of the ignorance of these fools. The millimeter wave machines used by TSA, which are active machines, rather than the passive alternatives, bombard the passenger with electromagnetic energy, just as the x-ray frequency backscatter machine do. Of course, you don't have to have taken 5th grade science to flip burgers, fondle penises or look at naked pictures, do you? And don't you find it exceedingly odd that the TSO who posted the lie hasn't shown up to correct the erroneous information?. I guess it is because it is their job to lie to the public. Heaven forbid we should have accurate info upon which to base our travel decisions.

Wimpie Feb 19, 2011 11:42 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 15889385)
Oh, so now the TSO is a physics expert. X-rays, radio and radar are all exactly the same kind of energy - electromagnetic energy, mediated by photons. Just more lies from the TSA. Since this lie was from a TSO who loudly proclaims his role as such, I think we all should contact the TSA IG at 866-289-9673 and complain about the lies being spread by TSOs

1. X-Rays (used by the backscatter) HAVE BEEN PROVEN to cause cancer. High levels of exposure definitively cause cancers, and lower doses have a certain probability of causing cancers. Most scientists agree there is no "safe" level of exposure, only less statistical risk. X-Rays, Gamma Rays and Cosmic Rays behave remarkably different because they cause atomic damage to human cells.

2. Radio and TV, MM Waves and microwaves are at frequencies well below X-rays and HAVE NOT BEEN SHOWN to cause cancers. It is known that high energy levels of exposure at the microwave and MM wave frequencies cause tissue heating and burn damage, not not atomic damage that causes cancer. Microwave ovens work like this, but don't mutate cells or cause cancers. The levels in everyday things like cell phones, TV transmitters, and MMW body scanners are generally considered by scientists to be safe, but there may be some very small or negligible risk that has yet to be identified. The MM wave scanner and your cell phone are indeed many orders of magnitude lower than what credible scientists consider dangerous.

100 years of scientists messing with radio, microwave, atomic bombs and X-Ray technology shows the above to be the generally accepted truth.

Backscatter systems should have been rejected from the beginning except for Michael Chertoff. The rest of the world (UK excepted) have rejected them. Statistically, our government will kill more citizens than the terrorists will in the next 10-20 years. Nice?

MIT Physics 1976

TSORon Feb 19, 2011 11:46 am


Originally Posted by 4nsicdoc (Post 15889385)
Oh, so now the TSO is a physics expert. X-rays, radio and radar are all exactly the same kind of energy - electromagnetic energy, mediated by photons. Just more lies from the TSA. Since this lie was from a TSO who loudly proclaims his role as such, I think we all should contact the TSA IG at 866-289-9673 and complain about the lies being spread by TSOs

Is this what you are going to base your complaint to the IG on? Really?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You go for it girl.

4nsicdoc Feb 19, 2011 12:05 pm

Wimpie, I have to ask if your screenname is a take on Weakly Interacting Massive Particles ( a candidate for "dark matter"?
Anyway, I wouldn't be so quick to exonerate millimeter wave scanners as being innocuous. New research by Alexandrov, Gelev, Bishop, et al, is pretty straightrorward that linear instabilities lead to local dimerization, in effect "unzipping" double stranded DNA, such as ours, and can lead to damage to intricate molecular processes involved in gene expression and DNA replication. And also take a look at Lai H, Singh NP. "Single- and double-strand DNA breaks in rat brain cells after acute exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation."
Int J Radiat Biol. 1996 Apr;69(4):513-21.

bajajoes Feb 19, 2011 1:29 pm

Ha.Ha.Ha.Ha.Ha!
 
:) Don't ha.ha.ha.ha.....take the bait fellow forum members!

He's trolling.


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