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Call to arms.
Watching Fox News (shut up, don't want to hear it) just now Lieberman and the rest of the Government officials and Representatives on the show are pushing the WBI.
Contact your Representatives and let them know they will lose your vote if they allow the further intrusion of the Nude-O-Scope style WBI. Refuse the WBI at all costs. Let your Reps know dogs are the most effective, most non-intrusive and most cost effective way to detect explosives. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063258)
Let your Reps know dogs are the most effective, most non-intrusive and most cost effective way to detect explosives.
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What is the WBI?
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063258)
Contact your Representatives and let them know they will lose your vote if they allow the further intrusion of the Nude-O-Scope style WBI.
Far better to attempt to persuade one's representatives if at all possible ... |
Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus
(Post 13063283)
What is the WBI?
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063258)
Watching Fox News (shut up, don't want to hear it) just now Lieberman and the rest of the Government officials and Representatives on the show are pushing the WBI.
Contact your Representatives and let them know they will lose your vote if they allow the further intrusion of the Nude-O-Scope style WBI. Refuse the WBI at all costs. Let your Reps know dogs are the most effective, most non-intrusive and most cost effective way to detect explosives. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063317)
Whole Body Imager. It is the device that allows the TSA to see under your clothes. It is also known as the Nude-O-Scope.
So will we enjoy the XXX-ray? Are the images XXX-rated? ba-zing, I'm good today!!! :D |
Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus
(Post 13063324)
Got it, thanks.
So will we enjoy the XXX-ray? Are the images XXX-rated? ba-zing, I'm good today!!! :D |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 13063319)
Is Senator Lieberman going to see to it that WBI's are installed throughout the entire world?
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063395)
You tell me. The two on the left are images released by the TSA the two on the right were released by CNN.
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Originally Posted by UALOneKPlus
(Post 13063408)
Damn, that's rather pornographic. If you were to show this on TV, censors would give it an X-rated rating!!!
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063418)
Yep. Do you think that 98% of the people think that the device is just dandy, because that is what the TSA is claiming.
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I will write my Congressman in Illinois and I have sent the image to friends and family.
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Heard a story this afternoon about a newer type of WBI - that is excellent at detecting explosives AND drugs.
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Gives new meaning to dresses on the left. Yikes.
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I want to know if a Colonoscopy will be provided free of charge. Of course, it's part of the national health care bill!!
Let's kill 2 birds with one stone!! WBI, Colonoscopy, CAT scan, dental x-rays, all done in one convenient setting, as you go through airport security!!!! Brilliant!!!!!!! :D :D |
I have placed an open letter on my blog, feel free to incorporate it into your own letters.
As always please proof it for me. Thanks |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 13063498)
Heard a story this afternoon about a newer type of WBI - that is excellent at detecting explosives AND drugs.
Explosives can be detected reliably and unobtrusively with ETP/ETD. There's no need for disgusting WBI. |
Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 13063498)
Heard a story this afternoon about a newer type of WBI - that is excellent at detecting explosives AND drugs.
Of course it is worthless if the object is hidden in a fat fold or body cavity. |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13064522)
I have placed an open letter on my blog, feel free to incorporate it into your own letters.
As always please proof it for me. Thanks |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 13064636)
I recommend adding ETP/ETD to the letter. The technology is proven and at least one ETD machine is already at every checkpoint in the country.
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13064648)
Give me a sample sentence or paragraph. I want to make sure I get it right.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 13064665)
I encourage you to require Explosives Trace Detection (ETD) at the checkpoint as the primary means of checking passengers and/or their belongings for explosives. This technology is proven and could easily be more widely-deployed if the TSA were required to re-allocate funds from their existing budget intelligently. Another option is the use of the Explosives Trace Portal (ETP), such as the GE EntryScan3. The TSA has claimed technological challenges in using these machines effectively. However, just as is the case with ETD, requiring that the TSA re-allocate funds intelligently would overcome any problems with filters or false-positives on perfume.
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Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063258)
Watching Fox News (shut up, don't want to hear it) just now Lieberman and the rest of the Government officials and Representatives on the show are pushing the WBI.
Contact your Representatives and let them know they will lose your vote if they allow the further intrusion of the Nude-O-Scope style WBI. Refuse the WBI at all costs. Let your Reps know dogs are the most effective, most non-intrusive and most cost effective way to detect explosives. |
Originally Posted by Olton Hall
(Post 13064723)
But that threat might mean I'd be indicating my vote for Lou Dobbs.
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The discouraging this about this that the "security" industry just got another shot at hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayers money to install equipment that will be used by folks who are poorly paid, trained or motivated to keep us safe. In the meantime the terrorist are doing what they said they would do, cripple America and her allies by ruining the economy through spending billions looking to find them.
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
(Post 13063498)
Heard a story this afternoon about a newer type of WBI - that is excellent at detecting explosives AND drugs.
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I wonder how much plastique I could shove up under my ample fat apron, and how the WBI detect it? Oh yeah, it wouldn't.
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Listening to various Congress Critters over the last couple of days does not bode well for our future TSA Experiences.
They all seem to be saying anything to keep air travel safe. |
Hate to say "I told you so" (actually, I dont mind at all) but I believe this was predicted.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/13054834-post89.html Which I believe said: "Now, I have seen nothing official on this yet, but here is what I can see happening. 1. Increased call for WBI’s at all checkpoints and increasing the frequency of their use. 2. A significant DHS budget increase, with the largest portion of it going out to other countries so that they can improve their pre-boarding security. 3. Lighters and matches, well lets just say that we have been there before. 4. Random screening at all US airports will jump significantly. 5. The current efforts by some members of congress to ban the use of WBI systems will quietly die a well deserved death. " Now just who would have been so insightful as to predict this? :cool: |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13065825)
Hate to say "I told you so" (actually, I dont mind at all) but I believe this was predicted.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/13054834-post89.html Which I believe said: "Now, I have seen nothing official on this yet, but here is what I can see happening. 1. Increased call for WBI’s at all checkpoints and increasing the frequency of their use. 2. A significant DHS budget increase, with the largest portion of it going out to other countries so that they can improve their pre-boarding security. 3. Lighters and matches, well lets just say that we have been there before. 4. Random screening at all US airports will jump significantly. 5. The current efforts by some members of congress to ban the use of WBI systems will quietly die a well deserved death. " Now just who would have been so insightful as to predict this? :cool: Requiring people to remain in their seats for the last 60 minutes of an international flight is both stupid and ineffective. A potential terrorist will simply get up at 75 minutes before landing, recover what he/she needs from carry-on luggage, and go to the rest room at that point. Your brilliant management doesn't realize this? Turning off the route map and prohibiting in-flight announcements is similarly stupid. Come on, anyone with a watch can calculate when an aircraft makes landfall after an overwater flight. Well, maybe we'd have to exclude anyone who works at TSA HQ. This simple task might be too difficult for them. The reality of a 60 minute "no stand" requirement for an international arrival at Washington Dulles means that a passenger won't be able to use a restroom for almost 90 minutes. Some people simply need to urinate more frequently than others. Does TSA intend to force people to soil themselves? Are you going to prosecute people who finally can't hold it and get up to use the rest room? The terrorists are winning, and sadly, TSA is helping them. |
Give me a break. We don't need fancy machines that cost billions and constantly malfunction. We need common sense.
This was a guy on a watch list that openly did all of the things that security officials are suppose to look for. He purchased a one way tix a few days before flight in cash in a third world country. He provided no telephone or contact information. He shows up at the airport with[B] a small carry on bag. He selects a seat right over the fuel tanks. And no one pulls him aside and asks him his intended business in the US. No one goes pats him down or searches his carry on. He did everything except wear a sign that said "planning on blowing up the plane."[/B] And now the dog and pony show at the airport is going big time. Got a 7PM business trip next week to London from NYC. You will need to leave your office no by 1PM to go through the gorilla style security process. And coming back we now turn off the IFE and seat mapper because some one won't be able to look out the window and realize that they are over land or that the flight is descending for landing? |
One more question for our security "expert."
Ron, do the WBI machines detect explosives? How? |
This event seems to make an excellent argument to redeploy the sniffers and work out the problems with them.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13065825)
5. The current efforts by some members of congress to ban the use of WBI systems will quietly die a well deserved death. "
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Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 13066069)
One more question for our security "expert."
Ron, do the WBI machines detect explosives? How? It detects anomalies. Things in pockets or pretty much anything on top of the individuals skin including clothing. And of course any anomalies must be investigated further. I know for a fact that they can detect small amounts of marijuana in people’s pockets, we get reports on it every day. It does not detect it as marijuana but as an anomolie. |
Originally Posted by N965VJ
(Post 13067290)
Somehow, I missed the part where Rep. Chaffetz changed his mind about WBI.
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Originally Posted by N965VJ
(Post 13067290)
Somehow, I missed the part where Rep. Chaffetz changed his mind about WBI.
Perverts "in charge" of TSA might not get to use those confiscated lotions in conjunction with WBI to get their sick jollies after all. It would be nice if they also lost their ability to get off checking out people's feet and shoes. Let's drive these sick perverts and pederasts back to the peep shows where they belong! |
Originally Posted by Trollkiller
(Post 13063395)
You tell me. The two on the left are images released by the TSA the two on the right were released by CNN.
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