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Originally Posted by senseker
(Post 13070870)
We have one wbi at sfo here, and I work with it every day at the checkpoint. Honestly, the images we see aren't that great, but good enough to determine if you have a wallet in your pocket or a knife strapped to your chest (and that's happened with me before). It's great technology, and it does work. There are signs next to it to explain what it does, and we have people explaining what it does as well. As a passenger, it is your right to not go through it. Anyone who opts out of the wbi instead gets a patdown. Nobody can force you to go through the wbi. It uses zero x-rays, so it's not going to expose you to anything. If I remember correctly, the machine that uses x-rays is the backscatter, a machine we don't use.
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Originally Posted by senseker
(Post 13070969)
If you want your items in your view, you only have to ask. We're not going to tell you no :)
Also, when we ask, it's more curiosity for me. But TSA wants to know why people are opting out of it. And how did your laptop get damaged? Damged how? You "ask" about why people opt out of the WBI to serve your purposes of retribution and intimidation. If the TSA REALLY, REALLY was legitimately interested in what the public had to say, they'd eliminate the WBI, the shoe circus, the kippie bags and the fluid limits. Look, the easy answer is this: We already go through the magnetometer. Why not walk through an ETP and be done with it? (And please don't insult my intelligence by claiming "technological concerns"). |
Originally Posted by senseker
(Post 13070870)
We have one wbi at sfo here, and I work with it every day at the checkpoint. Honestly, the images we see aren't that great, but good enough to determine if you have a wallet in your pocket or a knife strapped to your chest (and that's happened with me before). It's great technology, and it does work. There are signs next to it to explain what it does, and we have people explaining what it does as well. As a passenger, it is your right to not go through it. Anyone who opts out of the wbi instead gets a patdown. Nobody can force you to go through the wbi. It uses zero x-rays, so it's not going to expose you to anything. If I remember correctly, the machine that uses x-rays is the backscatter, a machine we don't use.
That is not what the head of DHS said. She clearly said that refusal only resulted in a trip thru the WTMD. So how come you folks at SFO are doing patdowns? |
I don't know. That's what we do. Not because we want to intimidate you, but because that's the rules. I have no control over it. And trust me, none of us particularly care for the device.
And thyroid problems? Never heard of if from the wbi, but whatever. I mean, I work with an x-ray machine every day, what's the difference with a bit more :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by senseker
(Post 13071163)
[color=red] I don't know. That's what we do. Not because we want to intimidate you, but because that's the rules. I have no control over it. And trust me, none of us particularly care for the device.
Unfortunately, you may be sincere and not want to intimidate us, but as I am sure you know, perception is reality. The perception is that everything about TSA is to intimidate the flying public and make them cower to all the rules, no matter how inane they may be. And lastly, do you not understand how absolutely maddening the "that's the rules. I have NO control over it" line is? You have ABSOLUTE control over it! If you were sincere in your beliefs, you would either a) work with the chain of command to improve the process and failing that b) quit. |
Originally Posted by Brewfangrb
(Post 13071297)
Are you doing anything about it? Providing feedback up the chain of command with your concerns about how the WBI affects the quality of the security process, how it affects the public's view of the security process, etc? If not, then I don't believe "Your safety is our top priority". I believe "I do what I am told, no matter what, so I can pay the rent."
Unfortunately, you may be sincere and not want to intimidate us, but as I am sure you know, perception is reality. The perception is that everything about TSA is to intimidate the flying public and make them cower to all the rules, no matter how inane they may be. And lastly, do you not understand how absolutely maddening the "that's the rules. I have NO control over it" line is? You have ABSOLUTE control over it! If you were sincere in your beliefs, you would either a) work with the chain of command to improve the process and failing that b) quit. As me and my friend do, we cross our arms, say "BWAHAHAHA, EVIL TSA" and laugh it off. It's just better to be in a good mood then pissed at the world :) |
Originally Posted by senseker
(Post 13070870)
We have one wbi at sfo here, and I work with it every day at the checkpoint. Honestly, the images we see aren't that great, but good enough to determine if you have a wallet in your pocket or a knife strapped to your chest (and that's happened with me before). It's great technology, and it does work. There are signs next to it to explain what it does, and we have people explaining what it does as well. As a passenger, it is your right to not go through it. Anyone who opts out of the wbi instead gets a patdown. Nobody can force you to go through the wbi. It uses zero x-rays, so it's not going to expose you to anything. If I remember correctly, the machine that uses x-rays is the backscatter, a machine we don't use.
T-ray devices are no better at detecting explosives. |
The wbi and the x-ray machines don't detect explosives. It's all a human effort. Other than the etp, we don't have much else. It would be real nice.
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
(Post 13070965)
Plus, dear DHS leader assured the dorks on the Hill that no one is patted down for refusing the WBI.
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Originally Posted by senseker
(Post 13070870)
We have one wbi at sfo here, and I work with it every day at the checkpoint. Honestly, the images we see aren't that great, but good enough to determine if you have a wallet in your pocket or a knife strapped to your chest (and that's happened with me before). It's great technology, and it does work. There are signs next to it to explain what it does, and we have people explaining what it does as well. As a passenger, it is your right to not go through it. Anyone who opts out of the wbi instead gets a patdown. Nobody can force you to go through the wbi. It uses zero x-rays, so it's not going to expose you to anything. If I remember correctly, the machine that uses x-rays is the backscatter, a machine we don't use.
And just to add to the chorus: WBI does not work. You should detect explosives, not images. Images can be anything, including perfectly innocent but very personal things you have no need to know about. |
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 13068064)
It's there but I'm not doing your work for you.
Originally Posted by N965VJ
(Post 13070086)
What threat to commercial aviation, besides someone cleaning out the F snack basket, does marijuana have?
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 13070134)
Are you looking forward to personally handling used tampons, panty liners, colostomy bags or the like, or are you just in this for the the in-person- and/or video-monitoring of removals of those items? That is what will come with increased use of strip search machines.
Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
(Post 13072273)
Could you please tell us in which terminal and what lanes lead to it? Is it used for primary or secondary screening?
And just to add to the chorus: WBI does not work. You should detect explosives, not images. Images can be anything, including perfectly innocent but very personal things you have no need to know about. ETP and ETD only say that yes these elements are present. The actual detection of the explosives is done by the screeners. WBI and MMW only give a picture of hidden items. Its screeners who decide if those items are hazardous or prohibited. They all do exactly what they are designed to do, and they do it well. It’s the screeners who actually do the work of determining what is questionable, prohibited, or hazardous. Calls for Full-Body Screening Devices Grow After Terror Attempt "Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- A suspected terrorist’s attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner may override privacy concerns and intensify a push for full-body scanning equipment at airports. U.S. officials charged a 23-year-old Nigerian man with trying to blow up Northwest Flight 253 as it prepared to land in Detroit on Christmas Day. President Barack Obama said yesterday he ordered a thorough review of the episode and called for new scrutiny of screening policies and technologies. Metal detectors currently used to screen passengers wouldn’t have found the explosive allegedly carried aboard by the suspect, said former Federal Aviation Administration security chief Billie Vincent. Only more sophisticated devices such as low-level X-rays and millimeter-wave technology would work, Vincent said. " More here |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13072548)
Calls for Full-Body Screening Devices Grow After Terror Attempt
"Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- A suspected terrorist’s attempt to blow up a U.S. airliner may override privacy concerns and intensify a push for full-body scanning equipment at airports. U.S. officials charged a 23-year-old Nigerian man with trying to blow up Northwest Flight 253 as it prepared to land in Detroit on Christmas Day. President Barack Obama said yesterday he ordered a thorough review of the episode and called for new scrutiny of screening policies and technologies. Metal detectors currently used to screen passengers wouldn’t have found the explosive allegedly carried aboard by the suspect, said former Federal Aviation Administration security chief Billie Vincent. Only more sophisticated devices such as low-level X-rays and millimeter-wave technology would work, Vincent said. " More here |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13072391)
Oh get over it. Nothing detects explosives.
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Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 13063319)
Is Senator Lieberman going to see to it that WBI's are installed throughout the entire world?
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Follow the money
I don't have time to research this right now, but we need to find out where the Nude-O-Scopes are manufactured and in what states do the manufacturer have a substantial presence.
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