Originally Posted by Mimi111
(Post 15781606)
If the blank form is SSI, why is it readily available for download?
If the completed form is SSI, how can they ask the pax to sign it? If the process itself is SSI, not the incomplete or completed form, then why are they trying to hide the form under the guise of SSI? |
Originally Posted by RichardKenner
(Post 15782320)
It is not. The old copy was obtained via a FOIA request and doesn't say it was SSI.
Somebody postulated here that the form may only become SSI after being signed and I've heard a rumor to that effect as well. Two possibilities: One is that the data on the form (the passenger's information) is what's SSI. That would make sense. The second is that it's the same stupid situation where the pat-down procedure is SSI but disclosed to every person being patted down. I still believe the entire process is flawed and that the SSI designation, is their way of puffing up their chests without actually following a proper and recognized set of classifications. I believe that at some point, early on, some of these "rules" might have been put in place in good faith ie don't disclose passenger's personal information to anyone other than the passenger, don't allow people to take pictures of the monitors because it's noone business what is in someone's bag aside from the owner and the screener, etc. But these common sense rules have now been perverted and are being used against the very people they were put in place to protect. Sorry for the ramble. It's all more than just a bit frustrating. |
Originally Posted by Mimi111
(Post 15782511)
...the SSI designation is their way of puffing up their chests without actually following a proper and recognized set of classifications.
I believe that at some point, early on, some of these "rules" might have been put in place in good faith ie don't disclose passenger's personal information to anyone other than the passenger, don't allow people to take pictures of the monitors because it's noone business what is in someone's bag aside from the owner and the screener, etc. But these common sense rules have now been perverted and are being used against the very people they were put in place to protect.... Bruce |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 15779878)
You can be sure that next time Officer Robert F. Dilley decides to destroy evidence, he'll do a better job than just hitting the "delete" button. He'll probably remove the memory card and throw it away.
Bruce
Originally Posted by MikeMpls
(Post 15781454)
Send prints of these posts to criminal defense lawyers in the Albuquerque area. :D
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Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 15782597)
Your focus on privacy considerations is interesting but not a concern I've ever heard from TSA personnel. Not ever. What they've said to me umpteen times is that SSI designations prevent "the terrorists" from defeating their spiffy safeguards. If the process is "secret" -- notwithstanding that it's shared with 67,000 cretins! -- then those pesky terrorists won't know what to do to get on planes. And we know that they keep trying, day after day. We know that, don't we? :rolleyes:
Bruce A blank document is never going to bring down a plane....I know, shocking, isn't it? |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 15781409)
Ok, the police officer may have misspoke or misremembered.
But taking all oddities that have come to light such as the officers belt recorder not working, Phil's camera memory being erased certainly would lead me to believe that something is rotten in ABQ. May never be chargeable, still would watch my back in that place. |
Originally Posted by polonius
(Post 15784927)
Sorry, apparently I missed something here -- did the police try to erase the camera memory? I didn't catch that info earlier in the thread.
He has subsequently been able to recover them, and if I understood correctly, the video was used at the trial. |
Originally Posted by TamCaP
(Post 15784945)
when he retrieved the camera from the "unofficial locker" his things were placed in for the duration of his arrest, the pictures and videos had been erased.
Is the "unofficial locker" another threat the cops in ABQ use to try to avoid a "John Doe" booking, as in "If you fail to identify yourself, we'll just throw your stuff away instead of cataloging it?" |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 15785789)
And that's another bit I simply don't get.
Is the "unofficial locker" another threat the cops in ABQ use to try to avoid a "John Doe" booking, as in "If you fail to identify yourself, we'll just throw your stuff away instead of cataloging it?" |
Originally Posted by TamCaP
(Post 15784945)
Yes, or actually double yes. According to pmocek's earlier statements, when he retrieved the camera from the "unofficial locker" his things were placed in for the duration of his arrest, the pictures and videos had been erased.
He has subsequently been able to recover them, and if I understood correctly, the video was used at the trial. Why aren't these guys being charged with destruction of evidence? |
Originally Posted by polonius
(Post 15785932)
Well that explains the prosecution's behaviour in December: destroy evidence, conspire to commit perjury on a massive scale (put 9 liars on the stand), then when it is discovered (last minute) that the defence has proof of the wrong-doing, ask for a continuance so you have time to back-pedal on the allegations.
Why aren't these guys being charged with destruction of evidence? Chain of evidence was broken and while we certainly believe we know what happened proving that beyond a reasonable doubt might be difficult and expensive. |
Originally Posted by polonius
(Post 15785932)
Well that explains the prosecution's behaviour in December: destroy evidence, conspire to commit perjury on a massive scale (put 9 liars on the stand), then when it is discovered (last minute) that the defence has proof of the wrong-doing, ask for a continuance so you have time to back-pedal on the allegations.
Why aren't these guys being charged with destruction of evidence? |
Did Phil ever get a receipt for the items they were holding? Was there really any chain-of-custody in place while they were holding the stuff?? Or did they just take his stuff and put it somewhere...and he was lucky to get it, albeit tampered with, when he came back for it?
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The chain of custody was broken when Phil picked up his stuff and walked out of the room. The police could claim -- falsely, of course! -- that Phil himself hit the "delete" button. Without some sort of time-stamp, proving who did what is going to be impossible. Too bad.
Bruce |
Originally Posted by bdschobel
(Post 15786692)
The chain of custody was broken when Phil picked up his stuff and walked out of the room. The police could claim -- falsely, of course! -- that Phil himself hit the "delete" button. Without some sort of time-stamp, proving who did what is going to be impossible. Too bad.
Bruce |
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