Almost 6 months after Asiamiles devaluation...
Jan 17, 2019, 3:10 am
#31
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: HKG
Programs: BA(GGL) QF LTS CX AM, Hilton Diamond, PPL(A)
Posts: 1,654
Yes, would prefer this as I can get some SQ status quite easily and this is somewhere my family needs to be at least once a year. But are the redemption issues just as bad as CX? It isn't about the cost as long as not too crazy, just availability. (This is what is really disappointing about CX/Asia Miles. I fly a ton, spend a ton and also spend a ton on flying, so earn a lot of points/miles. Shouldn't CX/Asia Miles be incentivizing us to earn more by spending/flying more on CX and its partners by giving us more ways to use the points/miles, rather than shut off avenues to spend and doing the opposite? This is like what happened with MPC a few years ago when I moved over to BAEC and never looked back, flying all sorts of (mainly) Oneworld airlines away from CX, almost always in paid J for work and pleasure. Now I may just dump CX/Oneworld altogether if all the points/miles I earned end up being useless. Status is one thing but the ability to burn what you earn is more important in my book. I don't understand this company.)
I am also exploring Skyteam options ex-HKG but it looks paltry.
Sorry for going OT!
I am also exploring Skyteam options ex-HKG but it looks paltry.
Sorry for going OT!
cx is being stingy to both partners + its own members (well they do reserve some seats for their own members, but it is materially worse than before).
i heard its because of they hired some QF person to run their loyalty program. QF have a rubbish loyalty program - easy to earn but lousy to burn in premium cabins.
Jan 18, 2019, 5:15 am
#32
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: EWR
Programs: CX Green | UA Silver | Marriott Lifetime Platinum | Hyatt Globalist | Hilton Gold | AA EXP
Posts: 813
I have tried two redemption trips since the devaluation and it was significantly more difficult -- and expensive. I saw no evidence of increased availability; quite the contrary.
I only look for business class roundtrip from North America. So perhaps there is increased availability in coach?
I only look for business class roundtrip from North America. So perhaps there is increased availability in coach?
I noticed this several months ago and tested it again yesterday for HKG-CGK (J). No availability the week before CNY for AA and Avios redemption but plenty when using AM. CX uses married segment logic to 'block' both AA and Avios redemption because there are plenty of availability (5 J seats) when I asked for TPE-CGK. So no 'real' blocking but by limiting/making AA and Avios redemption more difficult, CX can claim there's increase availability for AM (on a relative basis). On this one route anyway ...
Jan 18, 2019, 10:03 pm
#34
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: New York City, United States.
Posts: 2,625
sorry I use to have a lot of Asia miles . acct dormant for 6 to 7 years years
1- I know my old acct is worthless. I have no access to that email address.
2-I see an award chart ( it;s surprisingly transparent and completely detailed. IS the link below current?????
3- I have a lot of AA miles , maybe 700K ( also one world)
4- I was thinking of redeeming IHG points at an effective rate of 1.67 miles per Asia Miles. I note that they have addition reward partners besides American , altthough one world is obviously somewhat redundant. Would you do this transfer of 100K IHG points ON A SPECULATIVE BASIS??? I can always replace the IHG points.
5- I recall that Asiamiles was very tedious to deal with. Only Avios was worst. lets just say they were not in London.
https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-...lesawardschart
do other quality carriers -- for United I have a strong dislike for them and I have no use for more American Miles.
I'm only using American as an example as I know the fare basis classes,
If a T class set is available in economy , does that mean its available using Asia miles?
or do they have there own inventory
Can premium cabins be gotten on short notice.?
Thank you to all for you kind answers.
2-I see an award chart ( it;s surprisingly transparent and completely detailed. IS the link below current?????
3- I have a lot of AA miles , maybe 700K ( also one world)
4- I was thinking of redeeming IHG points at an effective rate of 1.67 miles per Asia Miles. I note that they have addition reward partners besides American , altthough one world is obviously somewhat redundant. Would you do this transfer of 100K IHG points ON A SPECULATIVE BASIS??? I can always replace the IHG points.
5- I recall that Asiamiles was very tedious to deal with. Only Avios was worst. lets just say they were not in London.
https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-...lesawardschart
do other quality carriers -- for United I have a strong dislike for them and I have no use for more American Miles.
I'm only using American as an example as I know the fare basis classes,
If a T class set is available in economy , does that mean its available using Asia miles?
or do they have there own inventory
Can premium cabins be gotten on short notice.?
Thank you to all for you kind answers.
Jan 19, 2019, 1:15 am
#35
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
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moving miles to a not so active ffp on a speculative basis is asking for trouble down the line, and avios is better than asiamiles.
that aside i would not move ihg-am unless u hv something in mind
that aside i would not move ihg-am unless u hv something in mind
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Jan 31, 2019, 7:05 pm
#37
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Join Date: May 2009
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Jan 31, 2019, 7:19 pm
#38
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 289
Jan 31, 2019, 7:47 pm
#39
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Jan 31, 2019, 8:10 pm
#40
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SFO/HKG
Programs: ex-UA 1K, AA EXP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 535
For me, what made AM totally worthless now is HK allowing fuel surcharges on tickets and AM probably was heavily lobbying for this to happen.
As an example, there were some HKG-KIX tickets available for 3.3k cash round trip. If you want to redeem miles, it will cost you 20k AM and 1k in fuel surcharges. The HKG-Japan routes were specifically pointed out by AM as an example of a "better" change. What a joke.
The dumbest thing is crude went from $50/bbl to $70/bbl and CX/AM cried foul. A few months later, it reversed from $70/bbl to $50/bbl with CX pocketing the fuel surcharges. I worry about the potential impending doom of HK Airlines because this monopolistic behavior will further go unchecked without a viable competitor.
As an example, there were some HKG-KIX tickets available for 3.3k cash round trip. If you want to redeem miles, it will cost you 20k AM and 1k in fuel surcharges. The HKG-Japan routes were specifically pointed out by AM as an example of a "better" change. What a joke.
The dumbest thing is crude went from $50/bbl to $70/bbl and CX/AM cried foul. A few months later, it reversed from $70/bbl to $50/bbl with CX pocketing the fuel surcharges. I worry about the potential impending doom of HK Airlines because this monopolistic behavior will further go unchecked without a viable competitor.
Jan 31, 2019, 8:43 pm
#42
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For me, what made AM totally worthless now is HK allowing fuel surcharges on tickets and AM probably was heavily lobbying for this to happen.
As an example, there were some HKG-KIX tickets available for 3.3k cash round trip. If you want to redeem miles, it will cost you 20k AM and 1k in fuel surcharges. The HKG-Japan routes were specifically pointed out by AM as an example of a "better" change. What a joke.
The dumbest thing is crude went from $50/bbl to $70/bbl and CX/AM cried foul. A few months later, it reversed from $70/bbl to $50/bbl with CX pocketing the fuel surcharges. I worry about the potential impending doom of HK Airlines because this monopolistic behavior will further go unchecked without a viable competitor.
As an example, there were some HKG-KIX tickets available for 3.3k cash round trip. If you want to redeem miles, it will cost you 20k AM and 1k in fuel surcharges. The HKG-Japan routes were specifically pointed out by AM as an example of a "better" change. What a joke.
The dumbest thing is crude went from $50/bbl to $70/bbl and CX/AM cried foul. A few months later, it reversed from $70/bbl to $50/bbl with CX pocketing the fuel surcharges. I worry about the potential impending doom of HK Airlines because this monopolistic behavior will further go unchecked without a viable competitor.
but yeh, i agree with you.
Jan 31, 2019, 8:43 pm
#43
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 289
For me, what made AM totally worthless now is HK allowing fuel surcharges on tickets and AM probably was heavily lobbying for this to happen.
As an example, there were some HKG-KIX tickets available for 3.3k cash round trip. If you want to redeem miles, it will cost you 20k AM and 1k in fuel surcharges. The HKG-Japan routes were specifically pointed out by AM as an example of a "better" change. What a joke.
The dumbest thing is crude went from $50/bbl to $70/bbl and CX/AM cried foul. A few months later, it reversed from $70/bbl to $50/bbl with CX pocketing the fuel surcharges. I worry about the potential impending doom of HK Airlines because this monopolistic behavior will further go unchecked without a viable competitor.
As an example, there were some HKG-KIX tickets available for 3.3k cash round trip. If you want to redeem miles, it will cost you 20k AM and 1k in fuel surcharges. The HKG-Japan routes were specifically pointed out by AM as an example of a "better" change. What a joke.
The dumbest thing is crude went from $50/bbl to $70/bbl and CX/AM cried foul. A few months later, it reversed from $70/bbl to $50/bbl with CX pocketing the fuel surcharges. I worry about the potential impending doom of HK Airlines because this monopolistic behavior will further go unchecked without a viable competitor.