Jan 4, 2017, 2:31 am
Last edit by: brunos
Guaranteed F destinations:
North America:
JFK
YVR
SFO
LAX
ORD
BOS
Europe:
LHR
CDG
FRA
MXP
ZRH
Asia:
HND
Africa:
None
Semi-reliable destinations:
BKK
TPE
PEK
MNL
SIN (Haven't seen this available in years * NetJets Germany * 20 May 2019) Flew F in Feb, but no F seems scheduled in future, Brunos 21/5/19
North America:
JFK
YVR
SFO
LAX
ORD
BOS
Europe:
LHR
CDG
FRA
MXP
ZRH
Asia:
HND
Africa:
None
Semi-reliable destinations:
BKK
TPE
PEK
MNL
CX Routes with First Class?
Jan 20, 2018, 11:42 pm
#181
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: SFO, SJC
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Jan 21, 2018, 1:39 am
#182
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: ADL
Programs: QFF, AAdvantage, All
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Haha mate, I'm just here to provide useful information to posters based on what I'm quite familiar with. I have no doubt you're correctly repeating what's on Google Flights or the CX website.
However, despite what you see (I haven't checked, but I presume you're right), that still doesn't mean anything if you're unfamiliar with how CX operates F to BKK, TPE, and to a lesser extent SGN and MNL. I'm just speaking from a decade of 60-80 a year purchased segments on CX/KA, mostly in J and F. I feel pretty confident F is not permanently disappearing from BKK simply because you can't find it in the schedule past March. It happened like that last year too, and lo and behold it reappeared a month later. Similar situation happened with TPE a month ago.
I also think its likely F will continue to be a merry round of equipment and disappoint folks who buy it or redeem it in F when it does reappear.
However, despite what you see (I haven't checked, but I presume you're right), that still doesn't mean anything if you're unfamiliar with how CX operates F to BKK, TPE, and to a lesser extent SGN and MNL. I'm just speaking from a decade of 60-80 a year purchased segments on CX/KA, mostly in J and F. I feel pretty confident F is not permanently disappearing from BKK simply because you can't find it in the schedule past March. It happened like that last year too, and lo and behold it reappeared a month later. Similar situation happened with TPE a month ago.
I also think its likely F will continue to be a merry round of equipment and disappoint folks who buy it or redeem it in F when it does reappear.
Jan 21, 2018, 7:51 pm
#184
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 530
Haha mate, I'm just here to provide useful information to posters based on what I'm quite familiar with. I have no doubt you're correctly repeating what's on Google Flights or the CX website.
However, despite what you see (I haven't checked, but I presume you're right), that still doesn't mean anything if you're unfamiliar with how CX operates F to BKK, TPE, and to a lesser extent SGN and MNL. I'm just speaking from a decade of 60-80 a year purchased segments on CX/KA, mostly in J and F. I feel pretty confident F is not permanently disappearing from BKK simply because you can't find it in the schedule past March. It happened like that last year too, and lo and behold it reappeared a month later. Similar situation happened with TPE a month ago.
I also think its likely F will continue to be a merry round of equipment and disappoint folks who buy it or redeem it in F when it does reappear.
However, despite what you see (I haven't checked, but I presume you're right), that still doesn't mean anything if you're unfamiliar with how CX operates F to BKK, TPE, and to a lesser extent SGN and MNL. I'm just speaking from a decade of 60-80 a year purchased segments on CX/KA, mostly in J and F. I feel pretty confident F is not permanently disappearing from BKK simply because you can't find it in the schedule past March. It happened like that last year too, and lo and behold it reappeared a month later. Similar situation happened with TPE a month ago.
I also think its likely F will continue to be a merry round of equipment and disappoint folks who buy it or redeem it in F when it does reappear.
Jan 21, 2018, 9:14 pm
#185
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX, UA, Shangri-La, Hyatt, Starwood
Posts: 7,708
I can give you an example of something similar. I was flying JFK-HKG-TPE on a cash F ticket. HKG-TPE sector was a different day. About ~2 weeks before the TPE sector, I noticed my seat assignment in F changed....and I was now in regional J class.
On the day of flight, I forgot about above. And I ended up in 1A and it was only when J class service started did I wonder what was going on, then realize I had been downgraded to J, but now I was in F class on a J-service flight....confusing! So CX had swapped 77H to regional equipment back to 77H, but on the reverse swap they didn't reinstate F class. Phew!
Also, I have no idea why I was sitting in the F section. Was it my original F ticket class and they see that, even though I'd been downgraded to J and I think I eventually got some cash back? Or was it the fact I'm CX DM? No idea.
Jan 21, 2018, 9:34 pm
#186
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: HKG
Posts: 1,053
. AC change to all economy about a month out. Upon boarding, had myself a nice stroll through the almost empty Business Class cabin 
No idea if those ppl sat there for the same unknown reason QRC3288 was in his/her F seat, but they were there, and I was not.Also had a couple of multiple AC swaps, where in the end, the type would be the same as the original one, of course now in a different seat.
Jan 22, 2018, 1:11 am
#188
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 790
Feb 1, 2018, 2:35 am
#190
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stoke on Trent, UK (MAN ), BUE, BKK, DBV
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Really ? Compared to what ?
I was lucky enough to get a HKG-BKK Avios redemption stick to F on the 77W, excellent flight, all 6 suites were occupied, service was impeccable, hand written welcome card from the 2 FA’s, personal warm greeting from Flight Manager.
We we’re delayed on the ground by ATC, multiple top ups of the Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Blanc de Blancs 2006.
Full F inflight service, although a short flight it was excellent & a nice comparison to my usual flights on LH, LX & EK in F.
I was lucky enough to get a HKG-BKK Avios redemption stick to F on the 77W, excellent flight, all 6 suites were occupied, service was impeccable, hand written welcome card from the 2 FA’s, personal warm greeting from Flight Manager.
We we’re delayed on the ground by ATC, multiple top ups of the Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Blanc de Blancs 2006.
Full F inflight service, although a short flight it was excellent & a nice comparison to my usual flights on LH, LX & EK in F.
May 22, 2018, 7:47 am
#191
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: London
Programs: Newbie BA Gold
Posts: 570
Which flights have First?
Hello, I am on the KA451 KHH-HKG in July. I think they've switched me from First to Business. I guess maybe they are changing planes? I know its only a 1.5hr flight, but I would rather stay in First. How can I find out which other flights have first, shall I just call them up?
May 22, 2018, 8:07 am
#192
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX, UA, Shangri-La, Hyatt, Starwood
Posts: 7,708
There is no first from KHH, period. On occasion a longhaul CX bird is swapped in but AFAIK first class is never sold. So I think you're confused.
You can find routes with first by looking at our FAQ, the very top thread in this forum. We always appreciate searching first. We keep a spreadsheet which is linked there and included here Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon Fleet, Route and Configuration Guide
You can find routes with first by looking at our FAQ, the very top thread in this forum. We always appreciate searching first. We keep a spreadsheet which is linked there and included here Cathay Pacific / Cathay Dragon Fleet, Route and Configuration Guide
May 22, 2018, 8:35 am
#193
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: London
Programs: Newbie BA Gold
Posts: 570
Hi QRC, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I can't access the link at work so will have a look later when I get home. I'm certain there is first because I've been on them and I specifically booked first this time. My itinerary in through BA now says by first flight is cancelled and replaced with business.
Though I think I've just worked it out. I've just put in a dummy booking on cx.com and can see that the KA433 on 23rd Jul has first. Its a bit later then I need so will need to have a think...
Though I think I've just worked it out. I've just put in a dummy booking on cx.com and can see that the KA433 on 23rd Jul has first. Its a bit later then I need so will need to have a think...
May 22, 2018, 8:49 am
#194
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Hi QRC, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I can't access the link at work so will have a look later when I get home. I'm certain there is first because I've been on them and I specifically booked first this time. My itinerary in through BA now says by first flight is cancelled and replaced with business.
Though I think I've just worked it out. I've just put in a dummy booking on cx.com and can see that the KA433 on 23rd Jul has first. Its a bit later then I need so will need to have a think...
Though I think I've just worked it out. I've just put in a dummy booking on cx.com and can see that the KA433 on 23rd Jul has first. Its a bit later then I need so will need to have a think...
BUT, understand that an ac swap is quite possible so don't raise your expectations.
May 22, 2018, 4:48 pm
#195
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
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Hi QRC, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I can't access the link at work so will have a look later when I get home. I'm certain there is first because I've been on them and I specifically booked first this time. My itinerary in through BA now says by first flight is cancelled and replaced with business.
Though I think I've just worked it out. I've just put in a dummy booking on cx.com and can see that the KA433 on 23rd Jul has first. Its a bit later then I need so will need to have a think...
Though I think I've just worked it out. I've just put in a dummy booking on cx.com and can see that the KA433 on 23rd Jul has first. Its a bit later then I need so will need to have a think...
Bottom line is KHH is not a CX/KA "F" destination, not even really a semi-nornal one. CX has three categories of F destinations: 1) Longhaul. You're guaranteed the product, no swap. 2) Regional seasonal. These are routes like NRT last season and PEK this season whereby the service is highly reliable during that season only, but no promises next season and it very well / likely will be gone. And on occasion there could still be swap. 3) Regional, regularly "swappable". TPE, BKK, MNL, SGN, SIN, plus occasionally ICN and CGK. Often rostered, often swapped. "Available" every season but buyer beware.
Note that KHH doesn't even meet #3 . I didn't even knew KA ever sold F on KHH! It's going to be highly random and highly swappable. Nobody is paying for F to KHH, absolutely nobody. Just don't want to get your expectations up and it really wouldn't be wise to adjust your schedule to try it because I'd put the odds of swap "extremely high". Also, unfortunately I don't think the service is going to be anything like a normal F service.