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Involuntary Upgrade Priorities / "CIV" score

Involuntary Upgrade Priorities / "CIV" score

Old Jun 18, 14, 6:25 am
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Involuntary Upgrade Priorities / "CIV" score

Through this forum on and off, there have been threads discussing exactly how involuntary upgrade works and how priority for upgrade is determined at the check-in counters. Ideas posted include your boarding number, club tier / oneworld status or even the whim of the agent on duty. I thought Iíd post a quick update on some developments that are happening here.

As you may be aware, CX is investing in a new Departure Control System. Thatís the system that actually checks you in and manages boarding etc. This new system is being progressively rolled out on a country by country basis this year. The new system has significantly more advanced capabilities than the old one. One of these, is the capability to make the current involuntary upgrade arrangement into a systematic and structured process. This is made available through a customer score built in the system that can influence priority. Without going into too much detail (and deliberately so, so no need to ask), such a score would be derived from things like purchase history, date of last travel and so forth.

As countries cutover to the new system progressively this year, this score will be used worldwide as a systematic tool to prioritize involuntary upgrade where that operational need arises.
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Old Jun 18, 14, 5:19 pm
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Looks like CXs systems are going to be more sophisticated and they will be introducing true CIV ranking like BA has done for a number of years.
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Old Jun 18, 14, 5:47 pm
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Would be cool to know my own CIV score but doubt that'll happen
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Old Jun 18, 14, 6:26 pm
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what does civ stand for
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Old Jun 18, 14, 7:07 pm
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Not sure what the purpose of OP's post is if nothing about the new system or old system is being disclosed.

Speaking in my limited Japanese with ground staff my kids have over time befriended at HND, I understand that HND will be the first port to have this new system later on this month, with the main system coming online around mid-November.

When I mentioned that I like getting as BN1 partly because it's currently used in the tie-breaks but mostly because I like the aesthetic of having a BN1 on my boarding pass, I was told that under the new system, if you do get an op-up, the BN number will change (to something much higher, of course).

This won't affect anyone else on this board probably but I am a little sad about this
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Old Jun 18, 14, 7:08 pm
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score *only* affects invol upgrade/downgrade? if then, dont care much. especially after bidding for upgrade. this has always been a black box and we dont have to fight for BN1 anymore. which isnt a bad idea.
If opup happens then i'll celebrate
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Old Jun 18, 14, 7:08 pm
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^^^ LOL!
Originally Posted by marcuslai View Post
Not sure what the purpose of OP's post is if nothing about the new system or old system is being disclosed.

Speaking in my limited Japanese with ground staff my kids have over time befriended at HND, I understand that HND will be the first port to have this new system later on this month, with the main system coming online around mid-November.

When I mentioned that I like getting as BN1 partly because it's currently used in the tie-breaks but mostly because I like the aesthetic of having a BN1 on my boarding pass, I was told that under the new system, if you do get an op-up, the BN number will change (to something much higher, of course).

This won't affect anyone else on this board probably but I am a little sad about this
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Old Jun 18, 14, 7:37 pm
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We should at least be grateful that this time AgencyGuy/his employer isn't wasting our time by asking for input on an initiative that's already been decided anyway.

This should broadly retain the importance of club tier, I would think, since the higher you've made it in MPO, the more you're spending relative to others. In which case CIV score rather than BN becomes the tiebreaker within tiers. The biggest issue I see for some is at the border between tiers -- it's conceivable that a GO with a premium-heavy travel pattern who consistently just misses out on DM could have a higher CIV than some DMs. This could also weed out of the op-up queue "fake" Amex status members, depending on how CX assigns a value to their business.

One potential pitfall is if the new system prioritizes other oneworld elites over MPO members, given that we've seen anecdotal reports here that CX does have ways of tracking revenue generated by pax in other programs. The suggestion was that they already put emerald/sapphire ahead of MPO SL in the old pecking order, but if they start putting emerald ahead of MPO GO (self-interest alert!) it'll be annoying. CX gets not only our revenue but also a treasure trove of data about us and our travel patterns when we join MPO -- surely in exchange for handing that commercial data to CX vs another oneworld carrier, we can get higher priority in the op-up queue.
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Old Jun 18, 14, 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by CrazyJ82 View Post
One potential pitfall is if the new system prioritizes other oneworld elites over MPO members, given that we've seen anecdotal reports here that CX does have ways of tracking revenue generated by pax in other programs. The suggestion was that they already put emerald/sapphire ahead of MPO SL in the old pecking order, but if they start putting emerald ahead of MPO GO (self-interest alert!) it'll be annoying. CX gets not only our revenue but also a treasure trove of data about us and our travel patterns when we join MPO -- surely in exchange for handing that commercial data to CX vs another oneworld carrier, we can get higher priority in the op-up queue.
yah if CX does place emerald members ahead of GO that would totally suck and make me reconsider which program i'd be loyal to in the future
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Old Jun 18, 14, 8:44 pm
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For diamond members such as myself, these changes will probably discourage me from keeping my status. Here is why.

I am a Y flying diamond, I fly a lot but generally in economy (at best Y+ LH).

Diamond gives me guranteed Y seats in V class - very useful. But I can get this with Gold.

Diamond gives me op-ups occasionally - but this may go away (has lessened a lot already to be honest) with this rating system

Diamond gives me the ability to open up mileage redemption seats - this will probably go away with the bidding initiative

Diamond gives me a bottle of water and a buggy (no comment)


Generally MPO is being devalued for me as a top tier member (10 year's at diamond) which I find frustrating and somewhat disappointing.

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Old Jun 18, 14, 11:39 pm
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Hi SXC,

For those of us who dont know, would you please explain what you know about the CIV ranking system at BA and how it works?

And to the agency guy would you please comment whether this is in fact the model in which cathay are adopting, otherwise you will be seen as just stirring the pot again, like your enhance project, when it was already decided internally.

I for one did not appreciate how that introduction and request for comments was handled one bit.

Thanks


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Looks like CXs systems are going to be more sophisticated and they will be introducing true CIV ranking like BA has done for a number of years.
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Old Jun 19, 14, 12:25 am
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Originally Posted by cxlondon View Post
Hi SXC,

For those of us who dont know, would you please explain what you know about the CIV ranking system at BA and how it works?

And to the agency guy would you please comment whether this is in fact the model in which cathay are adopting, otherwise you will be seen as just stirring the pot again, like your enhance project, when it was already decided internally.

I for one did not appreciate how that introduction and request for comments was handled one bit.

Thanks
There was a lot of discussion on the BA board about this in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...r-scoring.html

In this case, AgencyGuy is not seeking feedback, just providing us some insider information, which I think is great for the board to know about.
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Old Jun 19, 14, 12:29 am
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Originally Posted by sxc View Post
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In this case, AgencyGuy is not seeking feedback, just providing us some insider information, which I think is great for the board to know about.
+1

Though I do get a sinking feeling about the way MPC benefits are headed....
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Old Jun 19, 14, 12:36 am
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Originally Posted by sxc View Post
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Originally Posted by cxlondon


Hi SXC,

For those of us who dont know, would you please explain what you know about the CIV ranking system at BA and how it works?

And to the agency guy would you please comment whether this is in fact the model in which cathay are adopting, otherwise you will be seen as just stirring the pot again, like your enhance project, when it was already decided internally.

I for one did not appreciate how that introduction and request for comments was handled one bit.

Thanks




There was a lot of discussion on the BA board about this in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...r-scoring.html

In this case, AgencyGuy is not seeking feedback, just providing us some insider information, which I think is great for the board to know about.
Well sort of. Mainly he's just giving a vague hint at something that will be coming at some indeterminate point in the future -- while his agency and CX are completely dodging more important questions on Enhance in the other thread, such as how this will affect award availability and how elites will be prioritized in bidding.

I don't mean to attack OP personally -- I'm sure he's a nice enough guy and he's just doing his job. But he and his firm should understand that we're all just going to grow more and more irritable if they keep "engaging" with us this way.
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Old Jun 19, 14, 3:35 am
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Seems like MPC is less and less friendly to their Y/ex TPE I elite members?
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