Which route CX/KA should consider during 2010/2011
May 5, 2010, 1:06 am
#31
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
Correct!!! I think DFW would be a NO BRAINER for CX over ORD as there is a large OW flight connections to Mexico, Central and parts of South America, as well as serving the traffic to the "Southern States" in the US. Weather would not be a big factor in winter (even though it can snow in Dallas) and DFW has ample facitilites for CX to operate and not really hurts its JFK, YYZ or SFO capacities. You might see not as many connecting passengers for LAX as they might find DFW a better connection.^
May 5, 2010, 3:06 am
#32
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Earlier, I think on FT, there was some talk about a DFW-HKG flight. Well, the flight itself is 8,114 miles (13,058 km) while the range of the 77A is 7,930 nmi (14,685 km). However, the main factor is headwinds if I remember correctly.
As much as I believe that a lot of Scandinavians are coming to HKG, I guess CX is just protecting the interests of AY - currently the only one serving Scandinavia-HKG nonstop. Meanwhile, HX is seeking approval for CAI and there are rumours that Egyptair will come back (there's quite a lot of demand for CAI, just look at the tours - all on SQ, but via SIN and DXB 
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May 5, 2010, 6:05 am
#34
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I try to avoid using CX/AA as it requires me to clear customs in the US which can be a hassle, so a connection in MAD would be okay for me.
May 5, 2010, 6:39 am
#35
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I would argue some increased frequencies might be more useful.
Flights for CX, perhaps an extension of the MXP or FCO flight to MAD - or pick another point to the east of MAD that will allow effective use of the plane. Or perhaps the extension of some of the YVR flights to MEX to serve those not wanting (or able) to get US visas.
With the additon of S7, IKT and OVB should be connected with HKG a couple of times a week by either KA or S7. Certainly would save the need for Chinese visa.
It would be nice if CX and QF would coordinate connections in SIN better than they do. Not much use to eastern OZ but DRW and PER (and maybe BME) could use some help if you prefer daytime flying. And where is late night connection SIN-HKG vv? Last flight leaves SIN at 1825.
I think the addition of Kingfisher will take care of the additional flights to the Indian sub-continent from HKG.
If you will look closely you will understand why I think AA needs to fly the ORD-HKG route and increase the CX code shares ex HKG to support it. eg no one code shares HKG-PER with AA. Alas ORD-HKG-PER is about 300 miles longer than ORD-NRT-PER
With the South American connections CX and LA and AA need to consider the flight times via LAX as the CX flight arrives an hour or so after the LA flight leaves for LIM; about the same time as the LA flight to SCL - And of course no direct OW flights to EZE. The MX connections via MEX add yet another connection.
Twist some arms and enable Air Pacific to become an OW affiliate and encourage a HKG-NAN-PPT flight to connect with LA to SCL.
Please wander through the speculations.
Fred
Flights for CX, perhaps an extension of the MXP or FCO flight to MAD - or pick another point to the east of MAD that will allow effective use of the plane. Or perhaps the extension of some of the YVR flights to MEX to serve those not wanting (or able) to get US visas.
With the additon of S7, IKT and OVB should be connected with HKG a couple of times a week by either KA or S7. Certainly would save the need for Chinese visa.
It would be nice if CX and QF would coordinate connections in SIN better than they do. Not much use to eastern OZ but DRW and PER (and maybe BME) could use some help if you prefer daytime flying. And where is late night connection SIN-HKG vv? Last flight leaves SIN at 1825.
I think the addition of Kingfisher will take care of the additional flights to the Indian sub-continent from HKG.
If you will look closely you will understand why I think AA needs to fly the ORD-HKG route and increase the CX code shares ex HKG to support it. eg no one code shares HKG-PER with AA. Alas ORD-HKG-PER is about 300 miles longer than ORD-NRT-PER
With the South American connections CX and LA and AA need to consider the flight times via LAX as the CX flight arrives an hour or so after the LA flight leaves for LIM; about the same time as the LA flight to SCL - And of course no direct OW flights to EZE. The MX connections via MEX add yet another connection.
Twist some arms and enable Air Pacific to become an OW affiliate and encourage a HKG-NAN-PPT flight to connect with LA to SCL.
Please wander through the speculations.
Fred
May 5, 2010, 6:54 am
#36
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My suggestion : Honolulu (HNL)
Currently no direct service from HKG, you have to fly either via NRT, TPE or MNL, last time i was in HNL, I saw a lot of Chinese tourist (there were more Japanese though) and i think this is a very good potential leisure market for CX in the future, targeting people from mainland and even from neighboring ASEAN countries as well
Currently no direct service from HKG, you have to fly either via NRT, TPE or MNL, last time i was in HNL, I saw a lot of Chinese tourist (there were more Japanese though) and i think this is a very good potential leisure market for CX in the future, targeting people from mainland and even from neighboring ASEAN countries as well
CX doesn't do enough leisure destinations...
May 5, 2010, 7:55 am
#37
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[QUOTE=toyotaboy95;13902082]Earlier, I think on FT, there was some talk about a DFW-HKG flight. Well, the flight itself is 8,114 miles (13,058 km) while the range of the 77A is 7,930 nmi (14,685 km). However, the main factor is headwinds if I remember correctly.
I vote for a DFW service that continues to IAH! I know I'm dreaming, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Scott
I vote for a DFW service that continues to IAH! I know I'm dreaming, but there's nothing wrong with that.
Scott
May 5, 2010, 10:12 am
#38
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Then why not just offer a non-stop service to Santiago Pudahuel instead of BCN/MAD?
May 5, 2010, 10:49 am
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May 5, 2010, 11:17 am
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Calgary (YYC). It's WestJet's largest hub (new partner, see below) and has a large East, Southeast and South Asian population.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle1557361/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle1557361/
May 5, 2010, 11:18 am
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May 5, 2010, 11:22 am
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I would argue some increased frequencies might be more useful.
Flights for CX, perhaps an extension of the MXP or FCO flight to MAD - or pick another point to the east of MAD that will allow effective use of the plane. Or perhaps the extension of some of the YVR flights to MEX to serve those not wanting (or able) to get US visas.
With the additon of S7, IKT and OVB should be connected with HKG a couple of times a week by either KA or S7. Certainly would save the need for Chinese visa.
It would be nice if CX and QF would coordinate connections in SIN better than they do. Not much use to eastern OZ but DRW and PER (and maybe BME) could use some help if you prefer daytime flying. And where is late night connection SIN-HKG vv? Last flight leaves SIN at 1825.
I think the addition of Kingfisher will take care of the additional flights to the Indian sub-continent from HKG.
If you will look closely you will understand why I think AA needs to fly the ORD-HKG route and increase the CX code shares ex HKG to support it. eg no one code shares HKG-PER with AA. Alas ORD-HKG-PER is about 300 miles longer than ORD-NRT-PER
With the South American connections CX and LA and AA need to consider the flight times via LAX as the CX flight arrives an hour or so after the LA flight leaves for LIM; about the same time as the LA flight to SCL - And of course no direct OW flights to EZE. The MX connections via MEX add yet another connection.
Twist some arms and enable Air Pacific to become an OW affiliate and encourage a HKG-NAN-PPT flight to connect with LA to SCL.
Please wander through the speculations.
Fred
Flights for CX, perhaps an extension of the MXP or FCO flight to MAD - or pick another point to the east of MAD that will allow effective use of the plane. Or perhaps the extension of some of the YVR flights to MEX to serve those not wanting (or able) to get US visas.
With the additon of S7, IKT and OVB should be connected with HKG a couple of times a week by either KA or S7. Certainly would save the need for Chinese visa.
It would be nice if CX and QF would coordinate connections in SIN better than they do. Not much use to eastern OZ but DRW and PER (and maybe BME) could use some help if you prefer daytime flying. And where is late night connection SIN-HKG vv? Last flight leaves SIN at 1825.
I think the addition of Kingfisher will take care of the additional flights to the Indian sub-continent from HKG.
If you will look closely you will understand why I think AA needs to fly the ORD-HKG route and increase the CX code shares ex HKG to support it. eg no one code shares HKG-PER with AA. Alas ORD-HKG-PER is about 300 miles longer than ORD-NRT-PER
With the South American connections CX and LA and AA need to consider the flight times via LAX as the CX flight arrives an hour or so after the LA flight leaves for LIM; about the same time as the LA flight to SCL - And of course no direct OW flights to EZE. The MX connections via MEX add yet another connection.
Twist some arms and enable Air Pacific to become an OW affiliate and encourage a HKG-NAN-PPT flight to connect with LA to SCL.
Please wander through the speculations.
Fred
However with Qantas's ambition to grow JetStar. I doubt it will coordinate with CX in Singapore. It make sense in commercial terms. But the QF management is so proud of their high fare no service baby.
Air Pacific is nice addition. But it is really up to QF to recommend now.
May 6, 2010, 3:22 am
#43
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Only the 77L (CX does not operate / has no plans of operating it) is capable of that distance, but basically no airline has exceeded the 9000 miles mark (fear of DVT on pax etc.) - similar discussion on flying the Kangaroo Route nonstop.
May 6, 2010, 3:45 am
#44
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And, I wonder how heavy is the traffic from Asia to South America, also even if you need to do transit it only adds 1 to 2 hour (if correctly timed) to your 20+ flight hours.
May 7, 2010, 6:18 am
#45
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Personally, I think the following routes would be feasible;
- Hongqiao - although I am not sure if Chinese authorities will allow this, although it should be feasible with maybe 3 daily flights operated by KA
- Haneda - two daily flights to complement JAL (1x daylight, 1xovernight)
- Chicago - AA Hub that can allow for numerous connecting opportunities (a daily flight should work)
- Zurich - Financial Centre, and only competition is Swiss (daily flight to obviously compete with Swiss)
- Abu Dhabi/Doha - these two cities have held up much better than Dubai for example - maybe a triangle/joint operation could work and to capitalise on traffic to China/Japan/Korea.
- Possibly some more Africa destinations (Luanda once or twice a week anyone?) to capitalise on the growing mining relationship between China and Africa
- Hongqiao - although I am not sure if Chinese authorities will allow this, although it should be feasible with maybe 3 daily flights operated by KA
- Haneda - two daily flights to complement JAL (1x daylight, 1xovernight)
- Chicago - AA Hub that can allow for numerous connecting opportunities (a daily flight should work)
- Zurich - Financial Centre, and only competition is Swiss (daily flight to obviously compete with Swiss)
- Abu Dhabi/Doha - these two cities have held up much better than Dubai for example - maybe a triangle/joint operation could work and to capitalise on traffic to China/Japan/Korea.
- Possibly some more Africa destinations (Luanda once or twice a week anyone?) to capitalise on the growing mining relationship between China and Africa