New regional business class seat revealed
 

Business Class seat revealed by same Twitter acc, reported by omaat

it appears that they are using the Collins Air Rest seat. A bit surprised with the finishing as it doesn’t look like the traditional green/blue seat covers I’ve been accustomed to see on CX planes (bar KA’s now retired first class)

A bit more on this: https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...ess-class-seat

And yes, it's the Collins Air Rest, which is already in service with Oman Air's Boeing 737 MAX – so these pics of the Oman Air seat will offer a bit more of a clue on Cathay's version (including that, as expected and in common with the current CX/KA regional business class seat, it lives in and reclines into its own fixed shell).

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f8ef1ed493.jpg

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New regional business class seat revealed
 

Looks a bit disappointing to me. I hope it’s not another fail - will have to look up some reviews of Oman air seat to see how comfortable it could be.

Agreed, perhaps they will be rebranding as Premium Economy Plus? Having said that it is definitely looks better than the UK/European/US regional offerings (ignoring AA's A321T and transcon peers).

Though what are the differences between this and the old KA regional business class?

On a personal level I would hope CX picks a more attractive colour scheme than Oman Air.

Now as long as they do not repeat fixed shell seats for economy, though it is about time that someone in the new generation thinks this is a wonderful idea.

Looking at the pics I hope that they don't use the A321 on any routes I fly.

Here's a review of the Oman Air seat. The reviewer starts off by saying "this is like a super luxurious premium economy seat...."

i love the shade being thrown :D

In my experience, most (non-flatbed) regional business class is like a good premium economy seat – that's certainly how I generally describe this category.

It can be (and often is) better-appointed than your long-haul premium economy product, because it's 'business class' and thus your top-most cabin on those jets (whereas premium economy always sits below 'proper' business class, and sometimes there's even first class above that).

As a matter of fact, it can also work the other way: Cathay's first-gen premium economy seat was a modified Zodiac/Weber single-aisle business class seat which Korean Air used for regional business class while American and Delta rolled it out as ‘first class’ on some Boeing 737s and 757s.

So yeah, quite some crossover between premium economy and regional business class.

To be fair, he is one of the more dramatic travel vloggers. And that's saying something.

This seat does seem to have more privacy... but also it looks quite cramped and not as spacious as the old one

Also CX is cutting # of J seats on the A321 in half, even those planes are going on longer regional routes? I remembered that KA A321s have 24J spread across 6 rows... This plane could be a nightmare on regional red-eyes

The bulk head seats are gone too! seems like all seats are identical.... Those fake leg rest is useless for tall people.

and that is all they can do? good or bad thta SQ doesnt compete with cx

i honestly thought first when i saw photo (without reading headlines) i was like "wow thats a really cool Premium econony/business minus which is it"

Good Point fakecd, they couldn't have use the BE Diamond Seat like the SQ 7M8s?

Not really sure what's the major improvement in this seat, other than a small divider?

Feels more like CX only install this seats, just to have a slimmer shell so they can put more seats in the back :mad:


12J? :confused:
24 was probably an overkill except for PVG but they couldn't have done 16?

Longer Regional? I'm going to see this on KTM then, Eff me :td::td::td:
At least I never had the pleasure of BLR :D

Singapore's installing Diamonds on their 737 max? I'm surprised they didn't go for the Vantage or that new narrow body direct aisle access seat

Maybe I took too many regional J as redeye flights, but I would have killed for some real recline akin to Qantas domestic J or even JAL Class J over this. Not to be.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the SQ 7M8s have the Vantage seats? Which means there are alternating rows of 2-2 and 1-1. The 1-1 throne seats therefore have 4x more table/storage space compared to the 2-2 seats. I don't like the product inconsistency and would feel annoyed paying the same price if I could only get one of the 2-2 seats.

Don't really like this new color scheme, but it matches the previous KA F (cirrus) color scheme on the A330s. Looks more comfortable than the previous generation, will have to try it to know for sure.

SriLankan’s A320 recliners has possibly got to have one of the best reclines (and legroom) I’ve ever seen. Sure this seat looks snazzy and all, but it really gives away the comfort. Unless CX commits on not flying these on longer regionals (which I doubt), it’s not much of an improvement :(

This one https://milelion.com/2019/01/16/circ...mb-doh-review/ ?

https://milelion.com/wp-content/uplo...an-A320-44.jpg

this one, although that also looks pretty substantial


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...43ac5f2d9.jpeg
https://www.navjot-singh.com/airline...ss-airbus-a321

had this seat on a short red-eye to Seychelles and it was the best sleep i’ve had on a recliner

Similar to Qantas domestic J then:

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I was under the impression that QF domestic J has a much worse legroom. Though having said that, it appears that the picture above is an A380 PEY seat :/

Oh! My bad

I am really struggling to find a reclined photo of Qantas Domestic J. I don't think I even have one myself.
This is the closest I can get. I do see where you're coming from about legroom but I am more of a width guy than a tall guy https://www.mapworld.com.au/blogs/ne...s-class-review

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/00..._2048x2048.jpg

Not the Diamond: forthcoming Singapore Airlines (nee SilkAir) Boeing 787 MAX jets will use Thompson Aero's Vantage. Still lie-flat but the alternating 2-2 / 1-1 layout means it's not direct aisle access for everyone.

FYI: Vantage single-aisle LOPA
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4ca7340370.jpg

Render of Vantage cabin (Aer Lingus)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...64c69ed393.jpg

MY BAD:(
CM 7M8s is using the BE Diamond, not the SQ ones.

Guess the point is the same, why didn't they at least use the BE Diamonds like the AA 321T Business :mad::mad::mad:
Too Bloody cheap on the Seat Pitch I guess :o

percysmith :eek:, you didn't get Brain Damage from all of those Red-Eyes to KIX ;)

QF Domestic J has little if any recline.
JL Class J does, but is a WAY tighter product than the current CX Short Haul J.


clubeurope, SHF 1.67TB Travel Photo Library to the Rescue :D:D:D :tu::tu::tu:
If CX was to use the UL 320 Recliner seat, I doubt none of us here will be b!tching/meh right now.

Commitment in HKG, HA!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
How long is that going to last until it's a Historical Document which is no longer Valid :(


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percysmith, you definitely don't want the QF Domestic J seat :(

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...59627a0f3f.jpg

Those seats seem decent enough for the short flights these A321 will be operating.

Can't see the need of fully flat bed on any flights shorter than 5 or 6 hours anyway.

Frankly I would prefer the original Barcalounger seats that were on the regional 777s and A330s above every other seat that has been thrown about here. I'm talking about the ones with manual recline and legrest extension, not the refreshed ones with electric recline that made it onto a handful of 777s. The cradle position on those seats was very comfortable IMHO, and a refresh of the upholstery, trim, and IFE system would make the seat quite appealing.

To be clear, I'm talking about these seats: https://onemileatatime.com/a380-extr...re-to-colombo/.

If you keep doing those ~4 hrs red-eyes from the Subcontinent, you might say otherwise... :idea:
I've had more than a few South Asians who told me KA stinks on those flights and they go out of the way to avoid them. :o


This Seat! :idea:
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...888eabfdc2.jpg

Come to think of it, that seat was pretty comfy for that time period. :)
Rolling Tape IFE except

If CX were to go for a modern day Barcalounger, then then the most logical seat would be the one Malindo uses.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5b60e09416.jpg

Manual Adjustment, IFE, Seat Power :)

But then I would want to see Malindo prices and not Cathay prices.

Otherwise, why isn't one flying with OD then...
Plus who is CX competing with?
Hopefully not OD ;)

That seat has at least as much recline as JL Class J, but wider.

Something about the lumbar support of the existing slide forward CX regional J doesn't work for me.

Wider is more dictated by Cabin Width then anything else.

Problem is how much pitch would you need to use the QF Domestic J seat on a CX 32Q?
Not 37-39" I bloody hope. :mad:

You can't ask for an extra pillow to fix the lumbar support?
My beef with the current CX Regional J is the Ankle part is dangled way too high and sometime kills Calf blood circulation :(

A short hop to KHH or MNL is fine, but definitely not a flight to KTM or a redeye to NRT.

QF flies domestically a 4-5 hour distance with flatbeds in A330s, and many american carriers also offer transcon flat-beds, from DL to B6. Seems sad for an airline often regarded by the general public to be amongst the world’s best to offer such a meagre product.

Perhaps too much of it. It's like sleeping on a hard slide.

I really like ZH's J product on narrowbodies. It's basically the same domestic/regional J seat for all the Chinese carriers, but ZH installed 8 in the space of 12 so everyone has a giant pitch.

The newly release of EK PE seats does overshine the new CX regional J. Perhaps regional seats and long haul seats are just not directly comparable.

I think EK's PEY seats look very kitsch, along with first and business. Definitely prefer CX's subdued colours... though having said that do still wish that CX had went with a non-shell seat given that they chose to keep recliners instead of installing flat-beds.

EK PEY / CX A350 PEY ＞＞＞CX "new" regional J
based on stats and photo of hardware....that say a lot about CX

Personally - for a regional flight, being able to recline into a good position and not having a seat back reclined onto my face matters. Many lie-flat products are not so good when in the recliner position - for example - the SQ J

I'm quite certain I am going to prefer sitting in the new CX Regional J seats to the EK Premium Economy seats.

Can’t say you’re wrong given it’s supposed to be a business class product. ;) I’d however say that adding the price factor in, especially the huge premium ex-HKG, the whole story may change. (I know it’s not fair to compare the price at home port vs outport)