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infinitium Nov 26, 2020 9:05 pm

SCMP and Exec Traveller: CX to absorb KUL, Hanoi, Fukuoka, Kaohsiung routes
 
Great to see CX stepping in to formally fold these routes into its network. Looking forward to more formalized route announcements soon, as CX absorbs the rest of the KA network.... which routes will likely be next?

A spokesperson for Cathay Pacific confirmed to Executive Traveller that the airline will step back into the Hong Kong - Kuala Lumpur corridor.

Hanoi, Fukuoka and Kaohsiung will also come under Cathay's wing, reports The South China Morning Post.
Also: https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...-cathay-dragon

percysmith Nov 26, 2020 11:54 pm

KUL KHH FUK HAN back to CX https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...-cathay-dragon

cmiller11101 Nov 27, 2020 1:09 am

Good to hear

boybi Nov 27, 2020 7:27 am

Wondering whether CX will still serve CRK. Will it be flown by CX or HX?

tentseller Nov 27, 2020 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by boybi (Post 32847370)
Wondering whether CX will still serve CRK. Will it be flown by CX or HX?

I can see HX doing CRK and CX doing MNL CEB. There is big AsiaMiles redemption demand for FDL's home flights

blum81 Nov 27, 2020 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 32846946)

Happy about the KUL route going back to Cathay.

Now if only I have a destination I can go to....

blum81 Nov 27, 2020 8:49 pm

Very happy about the KL route going back to CX.

Unionruler Nov 28, 2020 3:58 am


Originally Posted by blum81 (Post 32848548)
Very happy about the KL route going back to CX.

Second this, was sad to see it go and was on the last HKG-KUL just for the feels. Ex-KUL I fares to CN/KR used to be rather attractive too.

infinitium Nov 28, 2020 8:13 pm

I hope the PEN-HKG route goes back to CX as well... t'was popular with holidaymakers and especially the MNC crowd en-route to China and the USA.

ozflier Nov 28, 2020 10:13 pm

I am not playing the game of which old KA destination is next to come back but simply ask
Is Chengu an important commercial destination or just a tourist route - ie ? not worth taking back .

brunos Nov 28, 2020 11:53 pm


Originally Posted by infinitium (Post 32846822)
Great to see CX stepping in to formally fold these routes into its network. Looking forward to more formalized route announcements soon, as CX absorbs the rest of the KA network.... which routes will likely be next?

A spokesperson for Cathay Pacific confirmed to Executive Traveller that the airline will step back into the Hong Kong - Kuala Lumpur corridor.

Hanoi, Fukuoka and Kaohsiung will also come under Cathay's wing, reports The South China Morning Post.
Also: https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...-cathay-dragon

All these destinations were transferred from CX to KA a few years ago. That might have made the transfer back easier.

BTW: there are two threads on this news. The moderators might merge this one into:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cath...lose-ka-8.html

brunos Nov 29, 2020 12:03 am


Originally Posted by ozflier (Post 32850221)
I am not playing the game of which old KA destination is next to come back but simply ask
Is Chengu an important commercial destination or just a tourist route - ie ? not worth taking back .

If you mean Chengdu, I assume that you are joking.
It is the capital of Sichuan and the 6th largest city in China. Its economy is thriving and diverse.
In 2019 it was the fourth busiest Chinese airport.(fifth if you include HKG).

ozflier Nov 29, 2020 1:22 am

Ta , I did mean Chengdu .

Snorkel 378 TH Nov 29, 2020 7:13 am

all I’m waiting to find out about is DVO, but I imagine that will be one of these last hashed out.

SLGO Nov 29, 2020 7:25 pm

While I’m glad to see CX returning to all these ports, I wonder whether they are approved by the authority or just pure wish of CX.

brunos Nov 30, 2020 8:41 pm

sorry, double post

kawaii Dec 1, 2020 12:27 am

I saw that CX announced HKG-KHH flights for two saturdays in November but can't find any flights for Dec. I was wondering if anyone could point me at any announcements for HKG-KHH in Dec or hereafter? Thanks!

patrickw Dec 1, 2020 2:46 am


Originally Posted by kawaii (Post 32854707)
I saw that CX announced HKG-KHH flights for two saturdays in November but can't find any flights for Dec. I was wondering if anyone could point me at any announcements for HKG-KHH in Dec or hereafter? Thanks!

Sorry my source is in Chinese but the news I read was that the original plan is only the 2 Saturday in Nov for KHH route showing CX is not leaving the market and future plans are all depending on market demand, meaning there is no solid schedule yet.
​​​https://tw.appledaily.com/life/20201...BV7XJC4T57ZMQ/

國泰港龍航空原本在2月13日起停飛高雄-香港航線,9月24日曾有市場需求復飛一班,之後再度停飛迄今,國泰港龍航空高雄-香港航線等於在9月24日已走入歷史。國泰航空集團重組後,國泰航空決定接手國泰港龍航空的香 港-高雄航線,並將於11月21日和28日2天各飛1班往返客運航班,後續航班將視市場需求再評估 。

ernestnywang Dec 1, 2020 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by kawaii (Post 32854707)
I saw that CX announced HKG-KHH flights for two saturdays in November but can't find any flights for Dec. I was wondering if anyone could point me at any announcements for HKG-KHH in Dec or hereafter? Thanks!

Next flight: 12DEC.

wyskevin Dec 2, 2020 8:32 pm

These photos were published on CX Facebook, flight from KHH to HKG dated on November 21th. As we can see, the uniform of crew were in CX , and flight number was CX 431. This route was completely transferred into CX. No more KA though the crew were still the previous KA ones.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8d5ceef9a.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...64437559f.jpeg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...24897ce28.jpeg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...edfd3cbd6.jpeg

Reply1984 Dec 9, 2020 8:05 pm

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cx2603

CX scheduled 2 cargo-only passenger flights to Kathmandu, Nepal. Another destination previously served by KA will be resumed by CX.

Reply1984 Dec 22, 2020 9:07 am

https://hk.appledaily.com/finance/20...p7kamY3ki5KYUE

Apple Daily HK:

For flight rights of 46 routes KA returned, CX is to apply for 25 routes, including Beijing, Shanghai, Chengdu, Hangzhou, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Tokyo, Kolkata, etc. UO is apply for the other 21 routes, including Guilin, Ningbo, Taichung, Phnom Penh (Cambodia), Siem Reap (Cambodia), Medan (Indonesia), Okinawa (Japan), etc.

HX also applies for several routes, and most of the destinations are outside China.

Reply1984 Jan 1, 2021 12:18 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cx2623

CX scheduled one cargo-only passenger flight to Bangalore, India. It seemed that CX successfully got flight rights to India previously owned by KA.

fakecd Jan 1, 2021 4:41 am

when/if comes back the third HND redeye on CX metal offers a viable alternative to NRT redeye, if its on LH product

Reply1984 Jan 18, 2021 6:00 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cx978

CX scheduled a few cargo-only passenger flights to Xiamen, China. This is the first destination in Mainland China resumed by CX.

Reply1984 Jan 19, 2021 8:10 pm

CX posted about the return to Xiamen on Weibo (social media in Mainland China). https://weibo.com/1684936355/JDWCg5tYa
It is also very interesting that the ground workers at Xiamen airport dressed full PPE to handle cargo from outside China.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b076713cac.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...49436c4045.jpg

mucaari Jan 19, 2021 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 32976616)
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cx978

CX scheduled a few cargo-only passenger flights to Xiamen, China. This is the first destination in Mainland China resumed by CX.

Afaik CX has been operating cargo flights to Xiamen for a while now anyway? Don't think this indicates anything regarding future passenger operations.

Reply1984 Jan 20, 2021 11:17 am


Originally Posted by mucaari (Post 32981197)
Afaik CX has been operating cargo flights to Xiamen for a while now anyway? Don't think this indicates anything regarding future passenger operations.

This flight uses ex-KA slots. It flight also hints that the Mainland Authority allows CX to inherit flight rights from KA.

SLGO Jan 21, 2021 1:40 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 32982361)
This flight uses ex-KA slots. It flight also hints that the Mainland Authority allows CX to inherit flight rights from KA.

It’s a massive piece of good news that CX can inherit KA routes to the mainland. Can’t imagine how hard would CX be hit (again) when travel resumes without the mainland market.

With hindsight, CX should have touch bases with the authorities before giving up KA, especially when Air China is one of the shareholders of CX group.

ernestnywang Jan 22, 2021 12:49 am


Originally Posted by SLGO (Post 32983826)
With hindsight, CX should have touch bases with the authorities before giving up KA, especially when Air China is one of the shareholders of CX group.

I'm sure CX did lol.

dparkinson Jan 24, 2021 1:58 am

I don’t see HAN listed on the CX website at all, nor does HK-HAN show up for CX on google flights. Is this just a COVID restriction relic or is CX not actually restarting on that route?

ernestnywang Jan 25, 2021 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by dparkinson (Post 32990480)
I don’t see HAN listed on the CX website at all, nor does HK-HAN show up for CX on google flights. Is this just a COVID restriction relic or is CX not actually restarting on that route?

HAN is not currently served, just like many destinations, but it is listed on https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_.../airports.html

Reply1984 Jan 26, 2021 8:49 am


Originally Posted by dparkinson (Post 32990480)
I don’t see HAN listed on the CX website at all, nor does HK-HAN show up for CX on google flights. Is this just a COVID restriction relic or is CX not actually restarting on that route?

There are some cargo-only passenger flights operated by CX.

Reply1984 Jan 26, 2021 9:52 pm

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e59b216cd7.jpg

Here we go. CX will operate one passenger flight from Xiamen to Hong Kong on Feb 2.

Reply1984 Feb 3, 2021 9:59 pm

Here we go: CAAC, the Mainland regulator, officially approved CX operating 15 routes in Mainland China previously operated by KA.
http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZT...4127705510.pdf

15 destinations include Fuzhou, Qingdao, Xiamen, Guangzhou, Chengdu, Zhengzhou, Hangzhou, Nanjing, Xi'an, Wuhan, Wenzhou, Ningbo, Haikou, Sanya and Chongqing.

The 6 destinations in Mainland but CX not applying are Jinan, Kunming, Changsha, Guilin and Nanning. These cities seem to have little demand for business traveling.

brunos Feb 3, 2021 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 33015126)
Here we go: CAAC, the Mainland regulator, officially approved CX operating 15 destinations in Mainland China previously operated by KA.
http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZT...4127705510.pdf

15 destinations include Fuzhou, Qingdao, Xiamen, Guangzhou, Chengdu, Zhengzhou, Hangzhou, Nanjing, Xi'an, Wuhan, Wenzhou, Ningbo, Haikou, Sanya and Chongqing.

The 6 destinations in Mainland but CX not applying is Jinan, Kunming, Changsha, Guilin and Nanning. These cities seem to have little demand for business traveling.

As could be expected, all the important destinations have been retained by CX.
It remains to be seen if UO will apply to tourist destinations such as Kunming or Guilin. Bit that is for 2022 or later.

SLGO Feb 4, 2021 4:25 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 33015126)
Here we go: CAAC, the Mainland regulator, officially approved CX operating 15 routes in Mainland China previously operated by KA.
http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZT...4127705510.pdf

15 destinations include Fuzhou, Qingdao, Xiamen, Guangzhou, Chengdu, Zhengzhou, Hangzhou, Nanjing, Xi'an, Wuhan, Wenzhou, Ningbo, Haikou, Sanya and Chongqing.

The 6 destinations in Mainland but CX not applying are Jinan, Kunming, Changsha, Guilin and Nanning. These cities seem to have little demand for business traveling.

Very good to know the green lights given to CX. On the other hand, it’s interesting to see CX bid for Guangzhou but not even Changsha.

lixiaojuventus Feb 4, 2021 5:35 am

Very good news! Really excited that Cathay was able to retain most of KA's mainland routes!

mucaari Feb 4, 2021 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by SLGO (Post 33015458)
Very good to know the green lights given to CX. On the other hand, it’s interesting to see CX bid for Guangzhou but not even Changsha.

Well Guangzhou is the third biggest city in China. If you want those people as transfer passengers, you need to offer them a flight. People are not gonna transfer via the train, it's still too slow and too much hassle.

Changsha on the other hand would naturally have much less transfer passengers. For O/D traffic, Changsha actually is one of the few routes outside Guangdong where the highspeed train is somewhat competitive in terms of travel times.

SKRan Feb 6, 2021 3:40 am


Originally Posted by Reply1984 (Post 33015126)
The 6 destinations in Mainland but CX not applying are Jinan, Kunming, Changsha, Guilin and Nanning. These cities seem to have little demand for business traveling.

What's the sixth city?


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