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etacarinae93 May 23, 2018 5:33 am

Overbooking exists in First Class?
 
I checked the CX website and wanted to buy first class
however I couldn't choose the seat as all six seats have been chosen
Does overbooking even exist in first class!? Or i am not a member so i cannot choose my seat? (buy i was buying first class..)

kaka May 23, 2018 5:44 am

Usually, only the bassinets are left, and you cannot choose them

fakecd May 23, 2018 4:37 pm

i heard cx wont overbook first class

CXFlyerBoy May 23, 2018 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by fakecd (Post 29787510)
i heard cx wont overbook first class

Without questioning the reliability of the source, I am questioning why not since the F tickets should be the most flexible. And given the client demographics, there should be a likely chance of a no-show over someone say in Y

Also, given that there are only 6 F seats, I am assuming even if there exist overbooking in F, the percentage to breach will be somewhere in the line of not more than 1 or 2 seats?

QRC3288 May 23, 2018 7:18 pm


Originally Posted by CXFlyerBoy (Post 29787756)
Without questioning the reliability of the source, I am questioning why not since the F tickets should be the most flexible. And given the client demographics, there should be a likely chance of a no-show over someone say in Y

Also, given that there are only 6 F seats, I am assuming even if there exist overbooking in F, the percentage to breach will be somewhere in the line of not more than 1 or 2 seats?

I'm pretty sure CX doesn't overbook F. Reliable posters have said as much here. Anecdotally, (I normally take anecdotes with a grain of salt but I'm literally talking 50+ CX F flights) I've never once encountered an overbooking scenario. Unlike J, PEY or Y. In Y it is all the time. J overselling happens regularly enough too that I know they do it there. Yet never once, ever, seen in F. I don't think so.

FlyPointyEnd May 23, 2018 7:22 pm

Hi OP, can you post which flights you are looking at and the dates?

Chromie25 May 23, 2018 8:14 pm

I don't see why CX should allow F overbooking. The problem is CX loses if all 7 or 8 pax shows up and you have to downgrade someone. The downside (monetary, reputational especially if all the pax are VIPs) for CX is not worth the extra income.

SFO777 May 23, 2018 8:20 pm

No way does CX overbook F. OP is confusing the seat map with sold seats. Even with no F seats sold, typically CX will block 4 of the 6 F seats.

kaka May 23, 2018 8:35 pm


Originally Posted by Chromie25 (Post 29787975)
I don't see why CX should allow F overbooking. The problem is CX loses if all 7 or 8 pax shows up and you have to downgrade someone. The downside (monetary, reputational especially if all the pax are VIPs) for CX is not worth the extra income.

all cx needs to do is oversell j and sell all f.
if anyone in f not show up, opup j-f
If everyone shows up (against the odds), downgrade someone in j, where they have better chance to find someone who is not cip. Not all f are sold as full fare f anyways, and a full fare j is more viable than those non full fare f (even aone3 is way lower in revenue than a full fare j)

talking about which, havent heard of aonex fares here for a long time!

HaikalS May 23, 2018 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by kaka (Post 29788012)
(even aone3 is way lower in revenue than a full fare j)

talking about which, havent heard of aonex fares here for a long time!

What is that?

kawaii May 23, 2018 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by HaikalS (Post 29788134)
What is that?

I believe that's around-the-world OW tickets.

1010101 May 24, 2018 2:01 am

CX does not overbook F. Not many airlines do?

If you are not a status holder the window seats will all be blocked. If you can book the ticket some of the seats are still available. You will just need to call to book them.

sxc May 24, 2018 2:10 am


Originally Posted by 1010101 (Post 29788705)
CX does not overbook F. Not many airlines do?

I believe it was confirmed that BA overbooks F by 1.

It has been repeated in this forum often that CX doesn't overbook F - but I wonder if this is a hand-me-down comment from many years ago, and if it still applies.

QRC3288 May 24, 2018 2:40 am


Originally Posted by sxc (Post 29788729)
I believe it was confirmed that BA overbooks F by 1.

It has been repeated in this forum often that CX doesn't overbook F - but I wonder if this is a hand-me-down comment from many years ago, and if it still applies.

I hear your point about recency, but I've just never seen it and fly it fairly regularly. Also have never once seen a report here. It would be a real shixtshow. There are only 6 seats! And how do you decide who to bump? J at a minimum has 35 seats or so on the smallest config. You assume you can bump or convince SOMEONE. I would be just totally furious if CX screwed that up. Everyone pays 5-10k for the seat and they bump one of us?

BA "F" is fine, but not really F compared to the other major carriers. And cash prices reflect that, cheaper than CX. And there are minimum 8 BA seats, up to what 14?

vantage03 May 26, 2018 6:14 am

There is no way CX (or any other good airline with a small First Class) overbooks it.

This is one reason why such airlines don’t have booking guarantees for First Class for elite members.

BA does overbook F, it’s basically a Premium Business cabin anyway. I was in BA F LAX-LHR on the A380 two weeks ago and they’d overbooked by one. A very unhappy passenger was put on a flight 6 hours later.


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