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Cathay Boy Jul 31, 2015 7:57 pm

So... how's BOS doing?
 
Anyone can direct me to a website or knows generally how BOS is doing? Out of curiosity.... is it premium heavy but not Y heavy, or vice-versa, or doing very well?

Thanks

cxfan1960 Jul 31, 2015 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 25204030)
Anyone can direct me to a website or knows generally how BOS is doing? Out of curiosity.... is it premium heavy but not Y heavy, or vice-versa, or doing very well?

Thanks

ExpertFlyer?

sscywong Aug 1, 2015 9:20 am

These days I do fake booking at CX to check so as there's no more free GDS service (even with delayed data...)

Cathay Boy Aug 1, 2015 11:23 am

Ok thanks, I'll set up monitoring on ExpertFlyer

RDUDEVIL Aug 2, 2015 8:27 am

Was on 812 in J last night and had a really lovely flight. Hard to tell about Y from up in the mini cabin and didn't wander back. But J was full up and Y looked busy enough on boarding (but apparently not enough for op-ups to push up Js to fill the empty F seats alas!). Excellent crew on a spit and polish 77W. Took off to a stunning sunset over China and landed to a rare and spectacular blue moon over the New England coast.

Clearly this great new service is going to live or die on O&D traffic. Very few if any connections available at that arrival time, especially given Logan's glacial baggage handling and gate management (we were 20 minutes early but gave that and more back waiting for a BA 747 to push back so we could have a gate).

Massport has taken Logan truly global now, and good for them, but shouldn't they have built a new international terminal first? BOS Term E is dreadful on every dimension, departing and arriving. Try spending half a summer in Asia, mostly through HKG and SIN, but even at such places as DPS and HAN. Then return to BOS as one of your lifelong home airports, and see how you feel about the state of American industry and governance. It's always good to be home but...

Ldnn1 Aug 2, 2015 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by RDUDEVIL (Post 25209651)
Clearly this great new service is going to live or die on O&D traffic.

O&D on the Boston end, but remember it's perfectly timed for connections to and from HKG. It's by no means just about BOS-HKG traffic.

TheBOSman Aug 2, 2015 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by RDUDEVIL (Post 25209651)
Massport has taken Logan truly global now, and good for them, but shouldn't they have built a new international terminal first? BOS Term E is dreadful on every dimension, departing and arriving. Try spending half a summer in Asia, mostly through HKG and SIN, but even at such places as DPS and HAN. Then return to BOS as one of your lifelong home airports, and see how you feel about the state of American industry and governance. It's always good to be home but...

Where in the world would they put it?

Speaking as someone for whom BOS was a home airport for quite some time as well, they simply don't have the space.

Dieuwer Aug 2, 2015 2:24 pm

What's wrong with terminal E? :confused:

RDUDEVIL Aug 2, 2015 2:35 pm


Originally Posted by Dieuwer (Post 25210973)
What's wrong with terminal E? :confused:

Not enough gates for the volume of afternoon and evening international traffic, lack of sufficient dual jetways for large aircraft, dreary and mostly inadequate J class lounges buried deep in the terminal, inadequate dining and shopping options and seating areas in the terminal departures area, slow baggage handling with flights doubled up on carousels. In short, lack of most of everything that good international airports have these days, unless your benchmark is the JFKs of the world.

Cathay Boy Aug 2, 2015 3:15 pm

How is customs for someone with Global Entry? Easy?

Does BOS ground staff escort DMs through security?

I may try it out sometimes

ijgordon Aug 2, 2015 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by Ldnn1 (Post 25210689)
O&D on the Boston end, but remember it's perfectly timed for connections to and from HKG. It's by no means just about BOS-HKG traffic.

Which makes sense. It's about getting people to/from BOS. For probably anywhere else, they can fly via JFK, ORD or even YYZ.

TheBOSman Aug 2, 2015 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by Cathay Boy (Post 25211155)
How is customs for someone with Global Entry? Easy?

Does BOS ground staff escort DMs through security?

I may try it out sometimes

Customs is quite easy with GE. The CX flight arrives late fortunately, but during the afternoon it can get very backed up in the regular line, so make sure you have GE for sure.

matthew gulino Aug 3, 2015 9:03 am

I'm flying BOS-HKG on 811 in October - any news on the BA Lounge getting their alcohol license enhanced to serve past 10 PM (or was it 11 PM?)?

psychoandy Aug 3, 2015 11:06 am


Originally Posted by RDUDEVIL (Post 25209651)
Massport has taken Logan truly global now, and good for them, but shouldn't they have built a new international terminal first? BOS Term E is dreadful on every dimension, departing and arriving. Try spending half a summer in Asia, mostly through HKG and SIN, but even at such places as DPS and HAN. Then return to BOS as one of your lifelong home airports, and see how you feel about the state of American industry and governance. It's always good to be home but...

i think it's laughable to see you compare BOS with HKG/SIN or even DPS...not even remotely in the same category, given ratio of domestic:intl traffic, and that all of the growth outside of basic TATLs (QR/EK/JL/HU/CX) has all been in the last 5 years. not sure how you could expect overnight massport expansion for a fairly recent development (especially given the politics with east boston). if it wasn't for the 787 and massive ME3 expansion, none of this would have really been in the cards IMO. if you want a better example of exemplary american industry/governance and aviation, check out PIT, STL, SJC, or even RDU :p


anyways, i digress, to actually answer OPs question, I have been religiously looking at loads on CX 812 during July/August on Expertflyer (trying to correlate at what point F seats open up, etc). Y has been 0'ed out when I was looking T-14 to T-28 for at least half of July and most of August...CX must be having a good summer, I would think it's a little early for college kids to come back, maybe it's HKG holiday? Decent amount of J/F availability, not a route I would expect there to be F on, but should be interesting to see if they can fill them without AA mileage redemptions.

CrazyJ82 Aug 3, 2015 12:33 pm

So... how's BOS doing?
 
Surely the answer is that we can't know how it's doing? The mere fact that it's full doesn't tell us much without knowing at what prices -- my first question is whether we'd still be seeing people flying on promotional fares that were offered when the route was new.


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