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mkjr Dec 7, 2012 8:54 pm


Originally Posted by Central90210 (Post 19815523)
Not to mention they're being total hypocrites by banning the shipment of sharks fin on CX metal but continue to serve caviar in F. Sturgeons are just as endangered as sharks.

Ummm... Some sharks are endangered. Not all sharks. Nets, however are not selective but you ought to be more fair.

Dr. HFH Dec 8, 2012 12:27 am


Originally Posted by mkjr (Post 19816827)
Some sharks are endangered. Not all sharks.

Yep. The ones which are caught are definitely more endangered than the ones which aren't. :D

sxc Dec 8, 2012 2:55 am


Originally Posted by Central90210 (Post 19815523)
Not to mention they're being total hypocrites by banning the shipment of sharks fin on CX metal but continue to serve caviar in F. Sturgeons are just as endangered as sharks.

CX uses a sustainable source of caviar, not from the endangered species.

Marco Polo Dec 8, 2012 5:23 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 19810109)
You have two problems. One is that the air in an airplane is very dry. The second is that the temperature of the toaster is lower than that of a regular toaster. This means that the bread toasts longer to get the same degree of doneness, drying it out a bit.

why the ---- you want to eat dry bread when flying F is beyond me.
but since you asked here is a scientific reply I saw before: enjoy, as they say ....

Retrograde toasters.
Breads are essentially networks of wheat flour protein molecules (called gluten) and starch molecules. Suspended in this network of molecules is carbon dioxide that is produced by the fermentation of yeast inside the dough. This gives bread its fluffy foam-like texture. Begin to play around with the amounts of these ingredients and other fancy tasting additives and you can get many different types of textures and tastes.
The starch inside of this mixture has its own characteristics. Starch molecules are made of two base components, both are long chain sugar molecules. Glucose (sugar) is classified as a monosaccharide, meaning one glucose unit. But if you link these units together, they can become a polysaccharide or complex carbohydrate. The two units are Amylose and Amylopectin. Amylose, which usually consists of about 10,000 sugar units, is built like a narrow bundle of reeds with all its glucose units arranged in straight parallel lines. Amylopectin, which usually consists of about 20,000 glucose units, has a more tree-shrub like appearance with its glucose units clumped together going in all directions. Plant starch is typically 20-30% amylose and 70-80% amylopectin. When heated up in the presence of moisture or water molecules, for instance placing the bread dough in the oven, the starch molecules weaken and allow water molecules to enter, or get in between the chains of the sugar molecules and join with them. This swells the starch granule and begins to soften it up, making it so warm and squishy! In the case of bread dough, the moisture can come from two sources, either the wheat protein in the bread itself or the water added to the mixture that makes up the dough. Once cooling begins, aka; the moment you take it out of the oven, the process begins to reverse itself and the starch molecules begin to “dry out” or crystallize and harden again, a process known as retrogradation. There is more water in the bread than the air. Once it evaporates to reach parity (in the dry environment of an aircraft or a fridge) the loss of water makes it dry. Toasting it accelerates the dryness. In a nutshell they should keep the still moist uncut bread in a ziplock bag until time to use it.

Howard Long Dec 10, 2012 2:45 am


Originally Posted by sxc (Post 19817697)
CX uses a sustainable source of caviar, not from the endangered species.

Absolutely correct, it is from tank farmed sturgeon, as is all Tsar Nicoulai.

Cheers, Howard

Greenpen Dec 10, 2012 6:56 am


Originally Posted by sxc (Post 19811543)
Although I agree with the over-ratedness of Caviar....but BBQ sardine and onion??

I don't know about sardine and onion, but sardine and boiled potatoes is a world class dish when served outside under a hot Sun, suitably shaded and accompanied by vinho verde.

mayodave Dec 10, 2012 8:15 am


Originally Posted by sxc (Post 19811543)
Although I agree with the over-ratedness of Caviar....but BBQ sardine and onion??

:D extra strong onion with super smelly sardine sooooo nice

mayodave Dec 10, 2012 8:16 am


Originally Posted by Howard Long (Post 19813474)
Yes, that was indeed my yardstick.

I think CX are the only scheduled airline to offer a toaster?

Also, agreed with an earlier poster that they probably need to use different bread, thicker sliced. Or, <salivates> crumpets... Mmmm

It could just be the way the bread is handled: if it's been sitting drying out as individual slices on the food carts rather than a sealed sliced loaf it's hardly surprising it tastes like cardboard. I almost feel it's another excuse for a weekend away again purely for investigative purposes of course. Wouldn't take much convincing. The number of times a food idea works great on the ground when tested and then fails miserably at 35,000', where it hasn't been tested, is astonishing.

Two other really small things came to mind (apols for going a little OT).

I noticed CX don't have dessert wine: so I brought a small 200ml bottle of icewine from duty free on board for the last segment, but they politely refused my request to open it and serve it for me. I did not press the point, ask once is enough IMHO, anything more and you're a difficult pax. No problem, I understand they have rules, although this is the first time my request for the crew to serve me from my own selection has been turned down, having had repeated success with this on both SQ and AA. I would love to see dessert wine on CX.

They could do with larger wine glasses too, the current ones are verging on thimbles. I brought my own stemless glassware on board as a result (I do the same on other airlines too, it's not only CX).

These are small points in the big scheme of things, but when you're searching for perfection, it's worth mentioning it.

Cheers, Howard


They had a spell earlier this year of serving dessert wines and they were truly awful

mayodave Dec 10, 2012 8:19 am


Originally Posted by Greenpen (Post 19828266)
I don't know about sardine and onion, but sardine and boiled potatoes is a world class dish when served outside under a hot Sun, suitably shaded and accompanied by vinho verde.

Now if they could BBQ it for you while you are on board well I would be in heaven

CanucksHKG Dec 10, 2012 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by mayodave (Post 19828662)
They had a spell earlier this year of serving dessert wines and they were truly awful

What did they served? I thought CX would have better taste and selection of wine :confused:
After all. they keep winning that award year after year...:rolleyes:


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