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bendachentaiwan Dec 15, 2011 6:54 am
does this include CX ?
 
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/1...7BE01D20111215 news report that China's aviation body is urging its members not to comply

marcusnugg Dec 15, 2011 7:09 am
I wouldn't think so. It looks as if its only mainland China carriers.

kaka Dec 15, 2011 7:37 am
i wonder what can china do (besides retaliate) if each and every EU airport raises airport fees in place of carbon-related charges

bendachentaiwan Dec 15, 2011 8:09 am
Exactly what I was thinking, I thought CX would actually now be part of the China aviation body actually

marcusnugg Dec 15, 2011 8:41 am
CX is regulation by the HK government which has its own laws and regulations. Therefore, CX would be obliged to comply with HK government instructions but not China?

That's my understanding anyway.

CX HK Dec 15, 2011 9:33 am
CX is managed by the Civil Aviation Department, which is separate from the Mainland. CX will not be affected by this.

CX HK Dec 15, 2011 9:34 am
Quick quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_A...8Hong_Kong%29:

During British rule, CAD was not a sub-unit of the Civil Aviation Authority (United Kingdom). Since 1997, CAD maintains independence from the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

garykung Dec 15, 2011 11:28 am
Originally Posted by CX HK (Post 17631980)
CX is managed by the Civil Aviation Department, which is separate from the Mainland. CX will not be affected by this.
However, Air China owns a significant share of CX. Will that affect?

No one knows.

Beside, the CO2 idea is kind of stupid anyway.

CX HK Dec 15, 2011 12:48 pm
Originally Posted by garykung (Post 17632845)
However, Air China owns a significant share of CX. Will that affect?

No one knows.

Beside, the CO2 idea is kind of stupid anyway.
Significant, but not most significant - that honor belongs to Swire. I won't go into whether or not the CO2 idea is "good" or "bad", but if you want to play in the European markets you play by the European rules. When companies do business in China, they follow the Chinese rules of doing business.

kaka Dec 15, 2011 7:17 pm
Indeed. But technically if the china govt pushes thru if they really wants to, hk govt would pressurise cx. But thats a topic for omni...

m.y Dec 15, 2011 9:54 pm
Originally Posted by bendachentaiwan (Post 17631092)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/1...7BE01D20111215 news report that China's aviation body is urging its members not to comply
The news is coming from an airlines trades group, not the CAAC, which is the regulatory body. The airlines themselves won't be protesting drastically unless they got the approvals from higher ups in the government beyond the CAAC.

percysmith Dec 15, 2011 10:28 pm
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Carbon trading schemes is essentially taxing airlines to subsidise environmental projects. It's never popular with the parties being taxed.

And I don't understand the protectionist allegation either - it's not like AF or LH will need to buy less credits than CA or CX?

kaka Dec 15, 2011 11:02 pm
They just *dont want* to participate in china. In line with their non participation in the treaties


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