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Cathay Boy Jun 10, 2011 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by kchika (Post 16540692)
My reply in the another thread:

Yes, I've flown SQ F on their 388, 77W and 744. As far as I'm concerned, SQ (apart from their 77W F seat) blows CX out of the water in just about everything.

I really think CX isn't using SQ as a benchmark for competition anymore. CX is happy to be a great East Asian airline.

UA Fan Jun 10, 2011 10:30 pm

Was CX really happy to allow MH in?

Guy Betsy Jun 10, 2011 11:50 pm


Originally Posted by UA Fan (Post 16541176)
Was CX really happy to allow MH in?

Why not? There's not much representation within ASEAN and they could all feed ultimately to CX's North American destinations cos MH only flies to LAX. Besides CX already cooperates with MH on some routes.

mosburger Jun 11, 2011 2:34 am

How about segment runs like PVG - HKG - KUL - CGK and back? ;)

ACORD Jun 11, 2011 5:59 am

Best CX-related news all year for MNL-based pax

I do MNL-KUL & MNL-SIN frequently -- means I'll get Asiamiles for this now.

ChrisLi Jun 11, 2011 6:49 am

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Segment run on MH domestic flight should be interesting

ACORD Jun 11, 2011 7:32 am


Originally Posted by ChrisLi (Post 16542247)
Segment run on MH domestic flight should be interesting

Good point.

wanaflyforless Jun 11, 2011 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by kchika (Post 16540692)
As far as I'm concerned, SQ (apart from their 77W F seat) blows CX out of the water in just about everything.

To me, the seat is the most important part of the product. I know others have different priorities.

KACommuter Jun 11, 2011 7:01 pm


Originally Posted by zhaobao (Post 16535138)
Definitely more choices for Oneworld members flying
Europe - Malaysia
Australia - Malaysia
Europe - Australia
Asia - South Africa / South America

Look forward to it, especially after they revamp their A330 and B737 aircraft.

It plugs the OW hole in S.E. Asia. But impact on CX should be minimal as all KUL HKG flights are codeshared anyway. IT'll also offer an alternative on Europe/Australia routes by flying via KUL instead of SIN or BKK, but CX doesn't really compete there either.

KACommuter Jun 11, 2011 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by midlevels (Post 16540719)
Especially on the regional J seat. SQ's new regional J seat makes CX regional J feel like Economy class.

Has anybody from CX management bothered to fly on the new SQ regional J to try it out? Or are they just ignoring the problem and hoping that nobody notices?

I suspect other N.E. Asian airlines do not do significantly better than CX on regional seats. That's because most regional flights for CX are not much more than 4 hours, with the exception of flights to India. So the business case for putting in wonderful seats is probably limited.

SQ needs good regional seats as a lot of its regional flights are 6 hours long - you need that much time to get to Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing and New Delhi, and many of these flights are red eyes. It often makes me wonder why on earth so many companies choose to have their Asia Pacific HQ's here.

KACommuter Jun 11, 2011 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by kchika (Post 16540692)
My reply in the another thread:

Yes, I've flown SQ F on their 388, 77W and 744. As far as I'm concerned, SQ (apart from their 77W F seat) blows CX out of the water in just about everything.

I agree in Y and regional J but am one of those who prefer the CX long haul coffins to the square SQ J seats, which I dislike as they are too hard and my legs keep bumping into the cutouts when I sleep. SQ's F&B is easily superior too. But when on the ground and/or in distress, there is absolutely no contest - I can rely on the CX front line to help me out effectively and SQ's to refer me to the supervisor's supervisor whilst telling me about their processes and problems (but not solving mine).

KACommuter Jun 11, 2011 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 16543571)
To me, the seat is the most important part of the product. I know others have different priorities.

Wait till something goes wrong and you need the front line to step up and fix it - I think that's the acid test.

kchika Jun 11, 2011 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by KACommuter (Post 16545044)
But when on the ground and/or in distress, there is absolutely no contest - I can rely on the CX front line to help me out effectively and SQ's to refer me to the supervisor's supervisor whilst telling me about their processes and problems (but not solving mine).

Any examples, KACommuter? @:-)

KACommuter Jun 12, 2011 1:22 am


Originally Posted by kchika (Post 16545219)
Any examples, KACommuter? @:-)

Sure. Was on PVG/HKG/SIN with 1 hr connection in HKG to the same flight as my wife and kids to SIN. Inbound flight delayed, arrived as the SIN flight took off with wife + kids on board. Was handed new CX boarding pass as I came off the jetway for next CX flight in 3 hours 45 mins. Went to MPC lounge and asked the girls for help. They said:
- No interline agreement with SQ, which had a flight leaving in 1 hr 45 mins.
- Would I mind buying another ticket (no). I said no.
- Oops, SQ flight sold out.

So I resigned myself to a 3 hrs + wait. Was having a drink, and they came back 15 mins later with a seat on the SQ flight I had hoped for:
- No charge.
- Sorry. no aisle seat.
- Please come with us to SQ check-in as there wasn't much time left.

Wrote to CX to compliment them, never received an acknowlegement. Have other cases like this.

Have recounted this and other stories to super SQ PPS diehards. All agree it is as pointless for one to expect this of SQ as it is to expect CX to match SQ's hardware.

Connecta Jun 14, 2011 10:49 am


Originally Posted by KACommuter (Post 16545008)
SQ needs good regional seats as a lot of its regional flights are 6 hours long - you need that much time to get to Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing and New Delhi, and many of these flights are red eyes. It often makes me wonder why on earth so many companies choose to have their Asia Pacific HQ's here.

Have to fly to MAA often and it's red eye as well - wouldn't mind them having better seats there.

Off-topic: The SIN government offers special deals to multi-national companies like tax rebates, etc. There are many companies who are relocating from HKG to SIN.


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