Returning to Canada without PR card ?
 

Question to all:

The new travel rules require plastic permanent resident cards for folks returning to Canada from the USA if they hold what was the IMM1000 landing record.

I have an employee who applied for one some four months ago, and is still waiting. He needs to go on a business trip to the USA at the end of this week. How much aggro will CIC give him if he tries to re-enter Canada without one ?

There is mention of a temporary travel document at $50 CAD that has to be issued in person. Sadly there is no office near his travel destination, and this frankly seems like a blatent tax on new arrivals to Canada to pay for the gvt's incompetence in issuing paperwork in a timely manner.

What say ye, worthy canuk travellers ?

Cheers,
Ben.

Probably a lot of aggro from media reports.

Mrs. bj-21 flew to BFS in May, and on the return flight to YYZ, the check-in counter at BFS asked to see both her passport and the PR card. She wouldn't have been allowed to board the aircraft without her PR card. From what I've heard and read, it's a necessity.

bj-21.

IMM1000 documents are no longer valid. Assuming that he will be flying back to Canada, CIC at the port of entry would not be his biggest problem -- the airline will, most likely, simply deny him boarding as he would not be in posession of proper travel documents required for entry into Canada. He would then need to contact the nearest Canadian embassy/consulate to obtain an emergency return permit. In the meantime, he will be stuck in the US.

If you'r in a private car there is no problem crossing the border in either direction. But on any form of "Public" transport you do need that card :mad:

Your employee has a couple of choices:
1) Don't go until the PR card is in hand;
2) Fly to a US airport, drive across the border (some rental car companies allow one way into Canada, see thread in Avis forum), and then fly/bus/hitchhike to Ottawa;
3) If he has a US passport my experience has been that the airline doesn't ask for the PR card (once in Atlanta). This is risky because if they do ask your employee is SOL;
4) Fly to the business destination, then fly to a city with a Canadian consulate to get the 1 time waiver and pay the $50 fee.

I agree it's inexcuseable that the process takes 4-6 months to complete. I ran into this problem late last year when I found out by accident I required the PR card. I had to change my travel and drove across the border and then flew from US airports until I received the card.

This is the way to go if he has a US passport and there is absolutely nothing risky about it. A US passport-holder does not require a visa (or an equivalent, such as a PR card) to enter Canada.

He will have no problem at the check-in, but might face a minor delay at CIC at the port of entry.

A friend of mine who applied last fall (September, approx) has repeatedly been promised his PR card on such and such a date, only to have the date put back. The most recent date he was assured he could have an appointment to pick up the card was July 7. I'm not certain if he actually received it or not, yet.

However, he has been to the UK twice since Jan 1, and not had any problems returning without a PR card. He's kept the paperwork showing that he's applied. 'Course he was also flying BA, and they assured him they would take care of any re-entry problems for him. (He's also recently applied for Canadian citizenship.)

You do not mention which passport(s) does your friend hold. If he has a passport from a country, ctizens of which do not require a Canadian visa (such as the UK or the US), he would be able to board based solely on such a passport.

On the contrary... he's a landed immigrant, has a home, business, family and yacht in Canada, so he definitely would not be "visiting." He would be returning, or "entering" Canada to stay permanently, and therefore requires the Permanent Resident's card.

(Irish passport.)

KVS, that is not strictly correct.

Regardless of the passport held a permanent resident must have either the permanent resident document (PR Card) or a travel document in order to use a public conveyance to travel to Canada. A carrier still faces fines if they convey a person who is a permanent resident without the necessary document even if that person could have sought entry as a temporary resident without a TRV.

The best option is to contact CIC for expedited processing. I have had very positive results getting my clients' PR cards issued on an expedited basis where there is a demonstrable need to travel. This assumes, of course, that there is no question about the applicant's ability to meet the 730 day rule, and the application meeting the technical specs (esp. for the photographs).

In theory, you are both absolutely correct. However, when it comes to issues relating to multiple citizenship, there is a huge gap between theory and practice. Nevertheless, I have slightly edited my original post to clarify what I meant.

In practice, there are basically two separate issues:

1. The issue of being able to board the aircraft (i.e. dealing with the check-in agent)
2. The issue of being able to enter Canada (i.e. dealing with CIC at the port of entry)

It is important to distinguish between these two issues as the airline's agents, unlike CIC at the port-of-entry cannot verify status or citizneship. They have to go by the travel documents presented by the passenger.

Therefore, if someone has a suitable passport, they can present it at the check-in and then explain to the CIC why they don't have a PR card and provide supporting documents to facilitate their entry into the country.

Thanks for all the answers...
 

Here's a couple more pieces of the puzzle.

He's a Ukranian Citizen, who holds a ukranian passport so needs a visa in his passport to travel into the USA, even as a permanent resident (landed immigrant / IMM1000 / whatever).

Ironically he's even taken the Citizenship test and passed. He's (hold it - guess what ?) yup, waiting for paperwork.

We did contact the Consular offices abroad, and are attempting to get him back through LAX where he can pick up a TD, but that is an ordeal in itself. They need to interview in the morning, and can't issue a TD until the afternoon (after 2pm).

I'm fankly amazed at this level of silliness.

American Airlines has let me board a plane back to Canada within the last 30 days using an INSPASS clearly stamped "not a visa or passport" at checkin.

YMMV.
Sigh.
Ben.

Ordeal? Perhaps you never had to deal with consular-related issues before :). This sounds very reasonable under the circumstances.

KVS
In theory you may be correct. But if the airline sees that you are terminating your itinerary in Canada they can request that you show either a valid visa for staying in Canada, or a reserved way back out (air, train, bus, car rental). The airline is on the hook for fines and transportation costs if they bring someone who is refused entry due to invalid documents. Many airlines would see the OP's case as possibly falling under this category and so would refuse boarding.
I agree that many check-in agents won't check for the PR card, most haven't asked for mine. But they might and then the OP's employee would be SOL. That's why I called it a risky manouver. Of course, since he's Ukrainian this point is moot, he requires a visa of some sort anyway.

Airlines, generally, use information contained in the TIMATIC database, provided by IATA to determine document requirements at check-in.

For example, for a US passport holder boarding a direct flight to Canada:
http://www.timaticweb.com/cgi-bin/ti...buser=DELTAB2C

Note that a "return/onward ticket" is only recommended. Therefore, an airline cannot insist on it.

We have had the same issue with Mrs. YYZer (Australian) not having her CIC card. Air Canada will tell you that if you are from a country that does not require a VISA to enter Canada, that they will allow you on-board the aircraft. This is specifically spelled out on their website (we also called Air Canada to verify that this was correct)

http://www.aircanada.ca/planning/before/traveldoc.html

"As of December 31, 2003, permanent residents from a non visa- waiver country who are returning to Canada will be required to provide the wallet-sized plastic Permanent Resident Card or a visa to re-enter Canada as the IMM1000 Record of Landing will no longer be acceptable. Without a valid PR Card or visa these passengers will not be permitted to board the aircraft and will need to contact the nearest Canadian embassy or consulate to obtain a limited use travel document to re-enter Canada: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/v...tml#exemptions "

We travelled in March, and the only problem we had was getting on the plane to Cozumel (the ticket agents didn't know what to enter into the computer system when they asked for a PR card number). After a while, they let us on the plane. No trouble whatsoever coming back (getting on the plane). When we reached immigration, they simply looked at her passport, her IMM card, and let us in.





Check this site for more information and discussion.

http://www.settlement.org

Returning to Canada without PR card ?
 

I know this is an old post, do you know if a rental car is considered a commerical carrier that would require you to show your PR Card. I a newly landed immigrant to Canada and I have to travel back to the US for business. But I need to come back to Canada within the week. I was first thinking I could fly to Buffalo and take the bus but then I think it is also considered a commerical carrier. So besides my family coming to pick me up can I rent a rental car so I don't have to apply for the travel document with the Canada Visa's office in the state.

You need your passport and your PR card to get into Canada. Whether by bus, car or on foot via the Rainbow Bridge ...

I don't think a private rental car is a commercial carrier but you should phone up the rental agency directly to confirm.

Not sure if this answers the question, but see FAQ link below. I guess a quick call to clarify would be prudent.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...card-faq12.asp

Just make sure you rent a car with a CDN licence plate. Otherwise, you cannot enter Canada as a resident.

You absolutely DO NOT need a permanent resident card to cross a land border by car. We have an employee who refused to get their card and flys out of Bellingham all the time. Commercial Carrier is Boat, Plane, etc. Not a car. They might give you grief that you should have it, but it's not required. Couple of months ago I came into Vancouver on a cruise ship and didn't have mine, I had all my documentation that I was a landed immigrant and worried for weeks, they just waived me through.

Does it also help if I have a Nexus card, and what if used my Nexus card the next time I came through the airport customs. Or would I get in trouble using it after becoming a landed immigrant and not updating my status with Nexus? Just don't want to loose my PR status or my Nexus Card either.

Hi there,
I wanted to share my experience with you, since I had the same issue last week and after reading comment after comment, I decided to just gather up some courage and go and see what happens!
I'm not from a Visa-exempt country; in fact, Canada is very strict on the citizens of my country. I had my Immigrant Visa on my passport which was issued to me in order for me to complete my PR status. It was scratched up and there was a thin cut on it! And when I went on my trip, I asked people at home to mail me my PR card when it arrives but it took longer than the time stated, so when it was time for me to return to Canada, all I had was my Confirmation of PR and that scratched Visa.
The airline examined the visa and gave me my boarding pass, and in the connecting city, I passed border control with suspicious looks, but she still let me pass after scanning the visa and noticing it is not fake. I passed 3 passport control with that visa and no one questioned anything.
At Pearson, I told the officer that my card didn't arrive, but I still have my visa which hasn't yet expired, and my COPR. She was very nice and sent me to the second screening for visitors. The second officer was also nice. She told me I was lucky the airline let me in, but at our border, they're pretty lenient. She also said next time it won't be like this and I need to remember it. I just said, OK, sure, fine, thanks.... ;D and I entered Canada! I guess I was lucky, but as long as you can board the airplane and can pass passport control, I don't think the border would give you that much of a hard time.
Also, I had some other documents ready in case they needed to see them - my partner's passport photocopy, my lease, my income tax papers, etc. to prove I live here.