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ostatekitty Aug 24, 2022 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle (Post 34542243)
I have taken many taxis (not rideshare) across the border. No issues.

Thanks I'll check that option out!

Covidian98 Aug 24, 2022 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by ostatekitty (Post 34541843)
We are flying into YYZ on Friday. Assuming all goes well we are taking the train to Niagra ONT and spending the night there Tuesday. Our plan was to cross over to the NY side and pick up our rental car when we get in Tuesday morning and drive it back to our hotel on the Canadian side of the falls. We are driving to Cooperstown early Wednesday morning. This now seems like a bad idea. a)do we have to do further ArriveCan info for our "trip" across the border to Hertz in NY and then back to our hotel on the CA side? b)this also seems to set us up for another chance at random testing. I know some here say that there is no testing at land borders but that directly contradicts the information on the CA govt website. Land testing was never suspended even when the random air arrival testing was briefly suspended earlier this summer. I am now wondering if we should just stay in Canada and pick up our car Wednesday morning. The reason we were trying to avoid this is it's my understanding Uber/Lyft will not drive you across the border. We need to leave early Wednesday, so trying to cross the border on foot (with all our luggage for a 9 day trip) then get a Lyft to Hertz on the NY side seems like a giant pain. Any advice on that end (assuming I'm not in a 10 day quarantine)? I'm paranoid enough that I'd cancel this trip if it wasn't too late. :(

You can also pick up the rental car in Canada and drop it off in the US, although it might be more expensive.
Two weeks ago, when I was in YUL at the enterprise-rent-a-car desk, and I noticed an American tourist who did exactly that. The agent told him that they're giving him a rental car with a US license plate, since he was goint to drive to the US and return it there (at least that's what I could gather from their conversation).

ostatekitty Aug 24, 2022 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by Covidian98 (Post 34542681)
You can also pick up the rental car in Canada and drop it off in the US, although it might be more expensive.
Two weeks ago, when I was in YUL at the enterprise-rent-a-car desk, and I noticed an American tourist who did exactly that. The agent told him that they're giving him a rental car with a US license plate, since he was goint to drive to the US and return it there (at least that's what I could gather from their conversation).

That was my original plan. We are returning the car to Albany. I checked all the major rental companies plus Expedia and Hotwire and all kinds of different combinations from Toronto area and Niagara ONT, returning to an NY location (Niagara NY, Utica, Syracuse, Albany) and I was not able to find a single itinerary that would show availability picking up in Canada and returning to the U.S. I know it's generally allowed - I just was not able to actually find anything in reality. I think I checked both the US and CA websites of several of the companies - I was not able to find anything between any CA and NY location.

CorSter Aug 28, 2022 4:13 pm

Got randomly selected today on my return from MKE. I had stopped for lunch after landing and was literally across the street from the off site testing facility at International Centre when I got the email, so went in there and was in and out in a minute. But seriously thought about saying .... it and not even bothering to order the at home kit, maybe next time.

I do think this new email notification thing is infinitely worse than the old system of testing you right at the airport, or even better, handing you an at-home box as you leave. Don't know what idiot in Ottawa thought it was a good idea.

Wondering if next time, I can just drive to Buffalo and re-enter on a new ArriveCan submission instead.

sydneyracquelle Aug 28, 2022 4:21 pm


Originally Posted by CorSter (Post 34553123)
Got randomly selected today on my return from MKE. I had stopped for lunch after landing and was literally across the street from the off site testing facility at International Centre when I got the email, so went in there and was in and out in a minute. But seriously thought about saying .... it and not even bothering to order the at home kit, maybe next time.

I do think this new email notification thing is infinitely worse than the old system of testing you right at the airport, or even better, handing you an at-home box as you leave. Don't know what idiot in Ottawa thought it was a good idea.

Wondering if next time, I can just drive to Buffalo and re-enter on a new ArriveCan submission instead.

Yes. Once you exit Canada there is no further requirement. Reentering Canada starts the process over again from scratch.

Leopardz Aug 28, 2022 4:24 pm

Any updated info on:

1) what happens if you ignore the email (it went to your spam folder, and you didn’t check it) and you don’t answer phone calls from unknown numbers.

2) it seems there is no way to provide a prior positive test result from the last 6 months, but someone mentioned that the automated phone call asks if that’s why you haven’t submitted a test specimen. So what happens if you choose that option on the phone system when they call you?

thanks

J. Leslie Aug 28, 2022 5:07 pm


Originally Posted by Leopardz (Post 34553144)
Any updated info on:

1) what happens if you ignore the email (it went to your spam folder, and you didn’t check it) and you don’t answer phone calls from unknown numbers.

thanks

Nothing further from my post 125. I’m sure I’ve heard the last of it.

CorSter Aug 28, 2022 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by sydneyracquelle (Post 34553137)
Yes. Once you exit Canada there is no further requirement. Reentering Canada starts the process over again from scratch.

Will keep that in mind in the unlikely event my result comes back positive

Covidian98 Aug 28, 2022 10:42 pm


Originally Posted by Leopardz (Post 34553144)
Any updated info on:

2) it seems there is no way to provide a prior positive test result from the last 6 months, but someone mentioned that the automated phone call asks if that’s why you haven’t submitted a test specimen. So what happens if you choose that option on the phone system when they call you?

thanks

I don't know what happens if you select the "exempt" option in the automated call, but I think the two possibilities are that either they accept your answer and simply stop calling, or they ask for the the proof (copy of the PCR test). I'm not sure what is more likely, but normally I would assume they would ask for the proof, so maybe you get transferred to an agent that tells you how to send it.

Adam Smith Aug 28, 2022 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by Leopardz (Post 34553144)
it seems there is no way to provide a prior positive test result from the last 6 months, but someone mentioned that the automated phone call asks if that’s why you haven’t submitted a test specimen. So what happens if you choose that option on the phone system when they call you?


Originally Posted by Covidian98 (Post 34553766)
I don't know what happens if you select the "exempt" option in the automated call

If only someone had provided this information just a few days ago :rolleyes:

analogueman Aug 29, 2022 12:17 am


Originally Posted by Adam Smith;[url=tel:34553830
34553830[/url]]If only someone had provided this information just a few days ago :rolleyes:

And I’m guessing nobody has requested this proof yet? So in theory everyone could just select opinion four? Yep, medical theatre.

Covidian98 Aug 30, 2022 3:01 am


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 34553830)
If only someone had provided this information just a few days ago :rolleyes:

Yeah, I forgot about that.
Interestingly, the poster mentioned that "After selecting that option, the recording told me I needed to keep proof of said positive test in case they asked me for it."
How long do they expect you to keep the proof ? And how would they contact you to get it ? I don't think travellers are required to keep answering phone calls or respond to spam looking emails.

kinglobjaw Sep 1, 2022 10:05 am

So if I'm understanding all of this correctly, a nonstop transborder flight such as SEA-YYJ/YEG/YLW there would be no random COVID testing requirement whatsoever?

Additionally, how would a flight going say DEN-YYC-YLW be handled where YYC is only a connection. Do you do complete the test in YLW?

Covidian98 Sep 2, 2022 2:33 am


Originally Posted by kinglobjaw (Post 34563995)
So if I'm understanding all of this correctly, a nonstop transborder flight such as SEA-YYJ/YEG/YLW there would be no random COVID testing requirement whatsoever?

Additionally, how would a flight going say DEN-YYC-YLW be handled where YYC is only a connection. Do you do complete the test in YLW?

TLDR: Yes & Yes.

Right, random testing is only done if you enter in one of the 4 largest airports, so it wouldn’t be applicable to any other airport.
As for a connection after arrival at YYC, I think you can be selected randomly, and in that case you should receive an email notification. You would then need to complete the test after you arrive to your final destination.

defrosted Sep 3, 2022 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 34503344)
All departing flights file a passenger manifest along with their travel documents.

Imagine if you had one travel document to enter the country and a different document to leave. You know like Jason Bourne or something like that. ;)

Anyway this thread has made me feel much better about this process. Seems that even if you follow the rules within normal timelines short trips to Canada lasting only a couple days are, for all intents and purposes, exempt. Chances are you could be gone before you even get the results.


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