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jasonvr Jun 8, 2012 8:38 pm

MCT at YVR US to Intl
 
I've searched here and in the AC forum and amazingly didn't find the answer.

Looking to understand the MCT at YVR. Coming in from the US, heading to Europe. Both legs are on AC. KVS says this (abbreviated):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: YVR/AC-AC]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        YVR                          020 060 060 090 

TERMINAL:        YVR  M  TO  M                045 050 090 090 
                      M  TO  S                075 075 105 060 
                      S  TO  M                075 075 105 060 
                      S  TO  S                045 050 090 090

I can not for the life of me tell what terminals M and S are. Based on the flights I am looking at, a 60 minute MCT would be fine, but 90 minutes wouldn't. So it seems that M to S or S to M would work, but M to M or S to S wouldn't....if I knew what those were :confused:

vanpoodle Jun 8, 2012 8:50 pm

There is only one terminal at YVR. Well, there is what they call the South Terminal which is for private planes, small planes and freight. Highly doubtful you're coming in there -- I have never been in that terminal, all my flights within Canada, to the US and International have all been at the main terminal.
You'll likely have to go through customs when you arrive, collect your bags and re-check them, though I could be wrong -- if you're at the same section of gates and they're able to check your bags through that would make life much easier. From my experience the flights to and from the US use one area of the terminal and the international flights are in a slightly different area. I have never done a connecting flight through YVR, just arrived and departed there so that is not my expertise. But it is nothing like O'Hare or LHR, it is a very small airport in comparison.

jasonvr Jun 8, 2012 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by vanpoodle (Post 18724764)
There is only one terminal at YVR. Well, there is what they call the South Terminal which is for private planes, small planes and freight. Highly doubtful you're coming in there -- I have never been in that terminal, all my flights within Canada, to the US and International have all been at the main terminal.
You'll likely have to go through customs when you arrive, collect your bags and re-check them, though I could be wrong -- if you're at the same section of gates and they're able to check your bags through that would make life much easier. From my experience the flights to and from the US use one area of the terminal and the international flights are in a slightly different area. I have never done a connecting flight through YVR, just arrived and departed there so that is not my expertise. But it is nothing like O'Hare or LHR, it is a very small airport in comparison.

I have transited thru YVR before (LAX-YVR-HKG) and it is extremely simple. Nice transit security and we were done. Bags checked all the way thru. However, when I did that my connection was so long that I didn't even look at the MCT. But the connection I am looking at (SFO-YVR-LHR) is only 79 minutes.

I wonder if it is M=Main and S=South?? But why would that allow a shorter time? It would seem that staying in the main terminal would allow a shorter time...

There are exceptions listed in the KVS output, but without knowing M vs S, I can't tell if they apply.

vanpoodle Jun 9, 2012 8:50 am

In thinking further, they only make you claim bags, go through customs and re-check them when the connection is for another destination within Canada, so bags should be checked through and there ought not to be that element to the connection.
I am a bit baffled as well by the time estimates, since at YVR domestics are in one wing of the main terminal that might be a 10 minute walk at most, and then flights to/from the US are in one part of the other wing, and the international ones go in another part, meaning walking time is only about 5 minutes. It might be a matter of getting out into the main terminal and then getting back in and going through security again if the gates are not in the same part of the airport.
I took a look at the airport's web site and this is their link: http://wwwnew.yvr.com/en/navigating-...rough-YVR.aspx -- it doesn't offer help on timelines, but there is a contact us link and they should be able to help confrim how much time to allow.

gglave Jun 9, 2012 4:18 pm

You will come in at the "E" gates and depart from the "D" gates.

http://wwwnew.yvr.com/Libraries/Maps..._Map.sflb.ashx

Once you deplane, follow the signs for international connections. You'll go through a cursory passport check then be sent on to your gate. Once you're off the plane you're looking at a 10-12 minute walk.

KVS Jun 9, 2012 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by jasonvr (Post 18724874)
There are exceptions listed in the KVS output, but without knowing M vs S, I can't tell if they apply.

You can see the terminal information via the [Timetable] function in the KVS Tool:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:

LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY QQS QQW ZLS ZEP
MON  02 Jul 2012 - 09 Jul 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------
AC/##      4493    LAX  14:29    YVR  17:14    CR7  0  1234567    13:11      -      M  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    854    YVR  18:30    LHR  11:40 +1  77W  0                          M      3
AC        786    LAX  11:25    YYZ  18:59    EQV  0  12-4---    13:10      2      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    848    YYZ  20:40    LHR  08:35 +1  77W  0                          1      3
AC        786    LAX  11:25    YYZ  19:01    EQV  0  --3-567    13:10      2      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    848    YYZ  20:40    LHR  08:35 +1  77W  0                          1      3
AC        792    LAX  13:35    YYZ  21:18    EQV  0  1234567    13:50      2      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    858    YYZ  23:20    LHR  11:25 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC        794    LAX  08:30    YYZ  16:07    319  0  1234567    13:55      2      1  30 Jun  31 Jul
 -> AC    856    YYZ  18:20    LHR  06:25 +1  333  0                          1      3
AC        786    LAX  11:25    YYZ  18:59    EQV  0  12-4---    14:35      2      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC        786    LAX  11:25    YYZ  19:01    EQV  0  --3-567    14:35      2      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC        790    LAX  07:45    YYZ  15:22    EQV  0  1234567    14:40      2      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    856    YYZ  18:20    LHR  06:25 +1  333  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  11:13    ORD  17:14    752  0  1------    14:47      7      1  02 Jul  02 Jul  Mon 09 Jul
 -> AC/##  4886    ORD  18:11    YYZ  20:44    CR7  0                          2      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  11:13    ORD  17:14    752  0  -234---    14:47      7      1  03 Jul  05 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5014    ORD  18:11    YYZ  20:44    319  0                          1      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5724    LAX  12:38    DEN  16:00    319  0  ------7    14:47      7      -  08 Jul  08 Jul
 -> AC    1042    DEN  16:40    YYZ  21:44    319  0                          -      1
 -> AC    858    YYZ  23:20    LHR  11:25 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5724    LAX  12:35    DEN  15:57    320  0  --3----    14:50      7      -  04 Jul  04 Jul
 -> AC    1042    DEN  16:40    YYZ  21:44    319  0                          -      1
 -> AC    858    YYZ  23:20    LHR  11:25 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5724    LAX  12:35    DEN  15:56    752  0  12-456-    14:50      7      -  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    1042    DEN  16:40    YYZ  21:44    319  0                          -      1
 -> AC    858    YYZ  23:20    LHR  11:25 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  11:09    ORD  17:10    752  0  ----5--    14:51      7      1  06 Jul  06 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5014    ORD  18:11    YYZ  20:44    319  0                          1      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  11:09    ORD  17:10    752  0  1------    14:51      7      1  09 Jul  09 Jul  Mon 02 Jul
 -> AC/##  4886    ORD  18:11    YYZ  20:44    CR7  0                          2      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  11:05    ORD  17:06    752  0  ------7    14:55      7      1  08 Jul  08 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5014    ORD  18:09    YYZ  20:42    319  0                          1      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC        794    LAX  08:30    YYZ  16:07    319  0  1------    15:00      2      1  02 Jul  02 Jul  Mon 09 Jul
 -> AC    490    YYZ  17:30    YUL  18:43    320  0                          1      -
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:40    LHR  07:30 +1  333  0                          -      3
AC        782    LAX  08:30    YUL  16:36    319  0  1234567    15:00      2      -  03 Jul  03 Sep  Mon 02 Jul
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:40    LHR  07:30 +1  333  0                          -      3
AC        788    LAX  22:00    YYZ  05:39 +1  321  0  1234567    15:00      2      1  22 Jun  26 Oct
 -> AC    868    YYZ  08:55 +1  LHR  21:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  10:48    ORD  16:49    752  0  -----6-    15:12      7      1  07 Jul  07 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5014    ORD  18:10    YYZ  20:43    319  0                          1      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5548    LAX  10:48    ORD  16:49    752  0  -----6-    15:12      7      1  07 Jul  07 Jul
 -> AC/##  8666    ORD  17:35    YYZ  20:03    CRA  0                          2      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5030    LAX  08:10    ORD  14:09    752  0  12345-7    15:20      7      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    520    ORD  15:45    YUL  18:44    E75  0                          2      -
 -> AC    864    YUL  19:40    LHR  07:30 +1  333  0                          -      3
AC/UA      5472    LAX  06:55    ORD  12:58    EQV  0  123456-    15:30      7      1  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5212    ORD  13:39    YYZ  16:09    EQV  0                          1      1
 -> AC    856    YYZ  18:20    LHR  06:25 +1  333  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5472    LAX  06:55    ORD  13:00    738  0  ------7    15:30      7      1  08 Jul  08 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5212    ORD  13:39    YYZ  16:09    320  0                          1      1
 -> AC    856    YYZ  18:20    LHR  06:25 +1  333  0                          1      3
AC        798    LAX  11:50    YUL  19:57    319  0  1234567    15:35      2      -  02 Jul  09 Jul
 -> AC    429    YUL  21:00    YYZ  22:15    EQV  0                          -      1
 -> AC    858    YYZ  23:20    LHR  11:25 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC        573    LAX  14:25    YYC  18:18    E90  0  1234567    15:40      2      -  01 Jul  01 Sep
 -> AC/##  8369    YYC  20:55    YEG  21:46    DH3  0                          -      -
 -> AC    898    YEG  22:25    LHR  14:05 +1  763  0                          -      3
AC        573    LAX  14:25    YYC  18:18    E90  0  1234567    15:40      2      -  01 Jul  03 Sep
 -> AC/##  8158    YYC  19:30    YEG  20:21    DH3  0                          -      -
 -> AC    898    YEG  22:25    LHR  14:05 +1  763  0                          -      3
AC/UA      5038    LAX  10:18    ORD  16:17    752  0  ------7    15:42      7      1  08 Jul  08 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5014    ORD  18:09    YYZ  20:42    319  0                          1      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5038    LAX  10:18    ORD  16:17    752  0  1------    15:42      7      1  02 Jul  02 Jul  Mon 09 Jul
 -> AC/##  4886    ORD  18:11    YYZ  20:44    CR7  0                          2      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5038    LAX  10:18    ORD  16:17    752  0  12345-7    15:42      7      1  02 Jul  08 Jul  Mon 09 Jul
 -> AC    510    ORD  17:35    YYZ  20:05    E75  0                          2      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3
AC/UA      5038    LAX  10:18    ORD  16:17    752  0  -2345--    15:42      7      1  03 Jul  06 Jul
 -> AC/UA  5014    ORD  18:11    YYZ  20:44    319  0                          1      1
 -> AC    862    YYZ  21:55    LHR  10:00 +1  763  0                          1      3


jasonvr Jun 9, 2012 6:41 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 18728372)
You can see the terminal information via the [Timetable] function in the KVS Tool:

Interesting. Didn't know that. This is the flights in question:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:

SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
THU  02 Aug 2012 - 09 Aug 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------
AC        567    SFO  15:00    YVR  17:11    E90  0  1234567    12:40      I      M  01 Jul  03 Sep
 -> AC    854    YVR  18:30    LHR  11:40 +1  77W  0                          M      3

So, it is an M to M connection. I guess in this case one of the MCT exceptions applies, namely:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.0.2/Diamond - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: YVR/AC-AC]
Code:

                                              DD  DI  ID  II 
STANDARD:        YVR                          020 060 060 090 

TERMINAL:        YVR  M  TO  M                045 050 090 090 
                      M  TO  S                075 075 105 060 
                      S  TO  M                075 075 105 060 
                      S  TO  S                045 050 090 090 

EXCEPTIONS:                                                   
A/L FLT-NBR      TR DEPARR AREA                               

AC              M        US                  --- --- 070 060 
AC              M                                             

**END OF DISPLAY**

So, it is legal, but just barely (by 19 minutes)

LAX/HKG Nov 15, 2015 3:04 am

Sorry to dig up an old thread. Trying to figure out the MCT at YVR for the following:

SFO-YVR on AC (as part of a bigger itinerary), then on a different ticket,
YVR-SEA-LAX on AS

Would 75 minutes be enough?

industry_killer Nov 15, 2015 10:10 am


Originally Posted by LAX/HKG (Post 25715262)
Sorry to dig up an old thread. Trying to figure out the MCT at YVR for the following:

SFO-YVR on AC (as part of a bigger itinerary), then on a different ticket,
YVR-SEA-LAX on AS

Would 75 minutes be enough?

I don't think playing MCT on separate tickets is a great decision unless you are willing to lose the second ticket.

worldtraveller73 Nov 15, 2015 11:08 am

Keep in mind that you have to clear both arrival customs (primary inspection line and secondary inspection line), then outbound security, and US CBP Pre-Clearance in Vancouver.

If it is early morning on a weekday, then departure lines are longer. It might be do-able with Global Entry / Nexus, but I probably won't bet on it. If on line check is offered for your AS leg, then I would definitely do that!

Often1 Nov 15, 2015 12:00 pm

As has been stated many many times on FT, MCT represents a carrier's willingness to assume the risk of rebooking in the case of a misconnect.

OP is on separate tickets, so he won't be a connecting passenger. If he no shows on his xYVR, that ticket will be cancelled and OP will need to buy a new ticket at walkup prices and will be able to use whatever value is retained under the fare rules of the original ticket (less any penalties). That could be anywhere from 0 to a little to a lot.

I typically allow triple the MCT for separate tickets because that accounts for most of the risks of delay.

LAX/HKG Nov 16, 2015 12:37 am

Thanks for the replies. How much time do you recommend for such a connection then?

tentseller Nov 16, 2015 6:45 am


Originally Posted by LAX/HKG (Post 25719463)
Thanks for the replies. How much time do you recommend for such a connection then?

It all depends:

Do you have:
NEXUS?
Global Entry?
Premium cabin or priority with departing airline?

Are you checking bags?
What passport are you travelling with?

LAX/HKG Nov 16, 2015 11:15 am

No Nexus/Global entry.

Will be flying in J/F.

US passport.

Yes on checked bags.

gglave Nov 16, 2015 11:26 am


Originally Posted by LAX/HKG (Post 25722036)
No Nexus/Global entry.

Will be flying in J/F.

US passport.

Yes on checked bags.

Good rule of thumb is 90 minutes ahead from arriving at the USA-bound transborder terminal (Yes, we've all done it in much less time, but 90 minutes is generally comfortable - And the SEA-bound AS flights are the longest walk once you've cleared US CBP.).

This doesn't include clearing Canada Border Services and picking up your bag from the carousel - I'd allow an hour for that.

So call it 2.5 hours - An hour to get your bag and get into Canada, and 90 minutes to drop your bag and get out.

Allow 30 minutes for the inevitable delays out of SFO, and call it three hours even.


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