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TravellinHusker Dec 5, 2009 3:59 pm

Transit in YYZ without clearing Immigrations?
 
A colleague who is a native of Peru needs to travel to Europe and is curious if she can fly on AC on the nonstop from LIM to YYZ then connect to MUC or FRA without clearing immigrations and customs. Has YYZ become a transit-friendly airport?

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Jalinth Dec 5, 2009 4:51 pm

See this link.
http://www.airportwayfinder.com/wayfinders/yyz/?v=3_6
Go to
"Terminal 1 Connections" and then "International to International" for the video.

Your friend will go through "Customs B" - generally a cursory customs/immigration check. So more transit friendly than the US, but not as friendly as Europe.
But this only works if your friend arrives in Terminal 1 and their bags are checked through to Europe.

Hope this helps

FlyerGoldII Dec 5, 2009 7:02 pm

The question if one is from a country who needs a visa when entering Canada; does that person still need a visa when going through customs B, for such type of international flight to internation flight transit?

speaker Dec 5, 2009 8:06 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 12933329)
The question if one is from a country who needs a visa when entering Canada; does that person still need a visa when going through customs B, for such type of international flight to internation flight transit?

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-vo...t-iiv-eng.html
http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/departm...2009-07-30.asp

It appears that one may only transit without a Visa if the USA is your origin or destination, and if one is a national of certain countries, flying on certain airlines, arriving at certain times... And so, regardless of whether or not "Intl-to-Intl" without a visa is permitted, neither Air Canada or LAN are participating airlines.

FlyerGoldII Dec 5, 2009 9:18 pm


Originally Posted by speaker (Post 12933551)
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-vo...t-iiv-eng.html
http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/departm...2009-07-30.asp

It appears that one may only transit without a Visa if the USA is your origin or destination, and if one is a national of certain countries, flying on certain airlines, arriving at certain times... And so, regardless of whether or not "Intl-to-Intl" without a visa is permitted, neither Air Canada or LAN are participating airlines.

where is the list of approved airlines, participating in this program?

speaker Dec 6, 2009 5:27 am


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 12933825)
where is the list of approved airlines, participating in this program?


At this time, the program only applies to nationals of the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand and Taiwan who hold valid U.S. visas and who are travelling through the Vancouver International Airport to and from the United States on a participating airline. Currently, the following airlines are eligible to participate in the program: Philippine Airlines, China Airlines and Cathay Pacific Airways.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/English/departm...2009-07-30.asp
I just noticed it only works at YVR too... so this option is a really moot point for the OP

FlyerGoldII Dec 6, 2009 6:33 am

So in Toronto, it means that the visa requirements whether one goes through Customs A, and enters the landside of the airport, or goes through Customs B, and stays airside, are identical?

californiadreamin' Dec 6, 2009 11:02 am


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 12934941)
So in Toronto, it means that the visa requirements whether one goes through Customs A, and enters the landside of the airport, or goes through Customs B, and stays airside, are identical?

You are, in fact, entering Canada either way.

Triley Dec 6, 2009 12:17 pm


Originally Posted by californiadreamin' (Post 12935874)
You are, in fact, entering Canada either way.

But if you're only staying in Canada for a matter of a few hours, and you're not leaving the secure area, then what is the point of requiring a visa? It's just a waste of personnel time, for them having to process the visa, as well as the traveler's time and money.

Maybe some day more airlines will be added to the exempt list.

californiadreamin' Dec 6, 2009 10:22 pm


Originally Posted by Triley (Post 12936196)
But if you're only staying in Canada for a matter of a few hours, and you're not leaving the secure area, then what is the point of requiring a visa? ...

What if you surreptitiously don't fly out? Oe, what if all passengers, with whom you are co-mingling, have to leave the gate area due to IROPs?

28isGreat Dec 7, 2009 9:44 am


Originally Posted by californiadreamin' (Post 12938807)
What if you surreptitiously don't fly out? Oe, what if all passengers, with whom you are co-mingling, have to leave the gate area due to IROPs?

A normal international transit area doesn't allow you to leave the gate area without going through customs/immigration. (I believe this is the case in YYZ T1, though I've never gone through it.) And because of this, most airports that I have used that have this (*outside* of North America!) don't bother processing you when you are in transit.

hjohnson Dec 7, 2009 10:01 am


Originally Posted by californiadreamin' (Post 12935874)
You are, in fact, entering Canada either way.

The exception to this rule is if you're flying Intl->USA at YYZ. You go directly to US Immigration, and never talk to a Canadian border agent.

californiadreamin' Dec 8, 2009 1:41 am

Lest the OP become confused by these two examples of altered circumstances:


Originally Posted by hjohnson (Post 12941086)
The exception to this rule is if you're flying Intl->USA at YYZ. You go directly to US Immigration, and never talk to a Canadian border agent.

In fact one must still satisfy Canadian immigration requirements. There is no inherent visa/passport waiver for this connection. If the USA declines to accept you, they will "send" you to Canada.



Originally Posted by 28isGreat (Post 12940995)
A normal international transit area doesn't allow you to leave the gate area without going through customs/immigration. (I believe this is the case in YYZ T1, though I've never gone through it.) And because of this, most airports that I have used that have this (*outside* of North America!) don't bother processing you when you are in transit.

The Eurpean model doesn't exist here. Interesting anecdote your comment may be, but the OP will not gain from it as the model at YYZ, which you say you have never gone through (T1 at least), is in fact closer to the "normal international transit area" for North America than not.

yyzvoyageur Dec 8, 2009 5:21 am

Yes, a transit visa would have to be obtained in advance from a Canadian mission abroad. There is no fee for this service.


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