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AirAsia Indonesia has verified QZ8501 has reported missing with 162 aboard. Departed Surabaya, Indonesia 0532 local time, last contact with ATC 0714 local Singapore time / 0614 Western Indonesia Time Sunday, 28 Dec 2014. QZ8501 was due to arrive SIN 0837 local time.
Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia is on Western Indonesia Time (WIB), UTC +7.
Originally Posted by AirAsia Indonesia FaceBook page
AirAsia Indonesia regrets to confirm that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore has lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24 (Surabaya LT) this morning. The flight took off from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya at 0535 hours.
Search and rescue operations are being conducted under the guidance of The Indonesia of Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). AirAsia Indonesia is cooperating fully and assisting the investigation in every possible way.
The aircraft was on the submitted flight plan route and was requesting deviation due to en route weather before communication with the aircraft was lost while it was still under the control of the Indonesian Air Traffic Control (ATC).
The aircraft had undergone its last scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014.
AirAsia has established an Emergency Call Centre that is available for family or friends of those who may have been on board the aircraft. The number is: +622129850801.
Originally Posted by gpeso8
I'm in Indonesia right now and local TV is reporting that an emergency exit door was located they are also showing a body in the water (blurred out).
Originally Posted by BBC 30 Dec 2014
Indonesian officials have confirmed that bodies and debris found in the Java Sea off Borneo are from AirAsia flight QZ8501 that went missing on Sunday, a statement by AirAsia says.
The AirAsia statement said the remains were found in the Karimata Strait, south-west of Pangkalan Bun in the Borneo province of Central Kalimantan.
The AirAsia statement said the remains were found in the Karimata Strait, south-west of Pangkalan Bun in the Borneo province of Central Kalimantan.
Originally Posted by Aviation Herald
On Dec 31st 2014 the chairman of Indonesia's Search and Rescue Service stated in an evening press conference, that earlier reports about the fuselage having been located have been incorrect, the search is still ongoing, so far - referring to a report by CNN hitting global headlines - there are no sonar images of the fuselage as well. Correcting other media reports the chairman stressed that none of the bodies recovered so far was wearing a life vest. All valid information concerning QZ-8501 only and only comes from one source, namely the Search and Rescue Service which is currently in charge of the entire operation, the chairman stated with reference to the current information chaos.
AirAsia updates on QZ8501 http://qz8501.airasia.com/index.html
Aviation Herald: http://avherald.com/h?article=47f6abc7
BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30620647
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AirAsia Indonesia QZ8501 SUB to SIN reported missing 0724 Sun 28 Dec 2014
Jan 4, 2015, 5:04 pm
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Think we will discover more over the next week or two...AA must be scrambling to get their paper work sorted now though it is likely the change was never updated in records or AA simply just did not bother to inform the authorities they wanted a change.
But AA does this all the time so nothing surprises me about them.
But AA does this all the time so nothing surprises me about them.
AA? Care to post the legit code? QZ, AK, FD etc.... but not AA.
Jan 4, 2015, 5:04 pm
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I recommend reading posts for comprehension, and some civility in your replies; they're more likely to get reasoned response, instead of possible personal attacks. Adversary response attracting further adversity vs. alternate point of view and disputing and discussing points civilly, as required by the Rules. 
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I said rains bring sediment and impairs visibility for searchers and divers, not that rain was a causative factor. This is the monsoon season in at least parts of the area (reason for the storms) and there is flooding in some of nearby S E Asia. It's raining now, rain is predicted for the days following.
Better underwater visibility and lower wave height will improve the ability to sight wreckage from the air and conditions for divers involved in tecovery operations.
As a qualified master, rescue, search and recovery and wreck diver with 58 years of diving experience, including Indonesia, I'm quite qualified to offer informed opinion on this aspect. (I also was a pilot and global ATC troubleshooter and engineer, for those who might wish to know.)
JDiver, Senior ModeratorI said rains bring sediment and impairs visibility for searchers and divers, not that rain was a causative factor. This is the monsoon season in at least parts of the area (reason for the storms) and there is flooding in some of nearby S E Asia. It's raining now, rain is predicted for the days following.
Better underwater visibility and lower wave height will improve the ability to sight wreckage from the air and conditions for divers involved in tecovery operations.
As a qualified master, rescue, search and recovery and wreck diver with 58 years of diving experience, including Indonesia, I'm quite qualified to offer informed opinion on this aspect. (I also was a pilot and global ATC troubleshooter and engineer, for those who might wish to know.)
Jan 4, 2015, 6:25 pm
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Have been reading the past 3 pages of posts and would like to add some further information.
1) As mentioned previously, the Singapore CAAS had approved the change of schedule.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...a/1565758.html
My theory: Paperwork, paperwork, paperwork. One thing the Indonesian Government loves is paperwork and loooong processing times. So I guess it wasnt approved, but it was submitted and "pending approval". However, AirAsia may have submitted late and with the authorities taking their own sweet time it results in a typical "common understanding" of "You know - I know" - until something happens... and then...
2)
http://www.todayonline.com/world/asi...t-jakarta-post
3) And if anybody is keen to look at a video of the Russian's Beriev BE-200 here is one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&...6tW40&hl=en-GB
Quite impressive!
1) As mentioned previously, the Singapore CAAS had approved the change of schedule.
has been given approval at Singapore's end to operate a daily flight for the Northern Winter Season from Oct 26, 2014 to Mar 28, 2015,
My theory: Paperwork, paperwork, paperwork. One thing the Indonesian Government loves is paperwork and loooong processing times. So I guess it wasnt approved, but it was submitted and "pending approval". However, AirAsia may have submitted late and with the authorities taking their own sweet time it results in a typical "common understanding" of "You know - I know" - until something happens... and then...
2)
“AirAsia took the (BMKG) weather report at 7am,” on Dec 28, BMKG head Andi Sakya was quoted as saying. Flight QZ8501 departed from Surabaya’s Juanda International Airport at 5.35am local time. The paper further reported that the AirAsia flight operations officer there received the weather report only after the plane lost contact with Jakarta air traffic control at 6.17am (Indonesian time).
Indonesia AirAsia chief executive Sunu Widyatmoko has denied the allegations. “Indonesia AirAsia really considers and is very careful in evaluating weather reports from the BMKG before every flight,” he was quoted as saying.
Indonesia AirAsia chief executive Sunu Widyatmoko has denied the allegations. “Indonesia AirAsia really considers and is very careful in evaluating weather reports from the BMKG before every flight,” he was quoted as saying.
3) And if anybody is keen to look at a video of the Russian's Beriev BE-200 here is one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=SG&...6tW40&hl=en-GB
Quite impressive!
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Jan 4, 2015, 8:34 pm
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Once again - if you take the whole region with 4000mi radius, in Singapore corruption is non existent.
Jan 4, 2015, 8:45 pm
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To be fair, the indonesians have gotten their .... together over the last 4-5 years as compared to previous indisreations.
A fine example of Garuda and the big turn around. Lion air, up to the recent crash at Denpasar also had improved it's safety record and I think, up to this Air Asia crash, Indonesia was and is on the right path to improvements.
Garuda now flies international and it's a credit to the company, management and staff for taking their previous problems seriously.
I wish you would stop quoting old stats because the aviation data today tells a different story. AA crash aside.
A fine example of Garuda and the big turn around. Lion air, up to the recent crash at Denpasar also had improved it's safety record and I think, up to this Air Asia crash, Indonesia was and is on the right path to improvements.
Garuda now flies international and it's a credit to the company, management and staff for taking their previous problems seriously.
I wish you would stop quoting old stats because the aviation data today tells a different story. AA crash aside.
The fact remains, Indonesian air safety is subpar and below world average.
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Jan 4, 2015, 8:47 pm
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Jan 4, 2015, 9:09 pm
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Someone up-thread was asking about the vessels currently involved in the search.
Source: https://twitter.com/ChiefofNavy/stat...980416/photo/1
Source: https://twitter.com/ChiefofNavy/stat...980416/photo/1
Jan 4, 2015, 10:17 pm
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Think we will discover more over the next week or two...AA must be scrambling to get their paper work sorted now though it is likely the change was never updated in records or AA simply just did not bother to inform the authorities they wanted a change.
But AA does this all the time so nothing surprises me about them.
But AA does this all the time so nothing surprises me about them.
Jan 4, 2015, 10:31 pm
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Indonesia's Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan orders agencies to suspend officials who were on duty during flight QZ8501, reports AP-Dow Jones, citing an official.
Jan 4, 2015, 11:24 pm
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The recent lack of hard news on the accident has allowed the thread to regularly drift off topic, with broad comments including but not limited to the Indonesian government/bureaucratic structure and how corruption affects the country and geopolitical region. Until something comes out in the press which adds legitimacy to these "theories" (as it applies to the accident), consider trying the speculation thread in the Omni board for a hearing.
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You mentioned Lion Air, it is still banned from flying to the EU. If Lion Air has so dramatically improved, why are still banned from flying to the EU? The fact is, ALL Indonesian carriers remain banned from flying to the EU except for a small number like Garauda or Indonesia Air Asia.
The fact remains, Indonesian air safety is subpar and below world average.
The fact remains, Indonesian air safety is subpar and below world average.
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No need for me to post links but do some research on line with Tony Fernandez and MAB and Kota Kinabalu/Sabah.
When Tony does not get things his way, he goes about dictating to people what they WILL do or else...
This is how AA has been going about conducting it's business for the longest time. And I think for those of us who are used to reading about AA and Tony Fernandez, we are used to it. That is how he and his senior management operate when they want something done.
It's more a case of bullying to get what they want. It's been going on forever.
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Believe they still have two 747-400's...
But keeping this as an aside as not sure about relevance in this sad case. The EU Blacklist (which outlawed all Indonesian airlines flying to the EU) was considered as a 'slap on the wrist' regarding overall Indonesian aviation safety (from maintenance to ATC to individual airlines). It wasn't targetting one specific airline. It came when no Indonesian airline (inc. Garuda) were flying to Europe or even intended to. It was a warning to EU citizens to be wary of the increased risk, and led to a lot of improvements.
Also, individual airlines then had to prove to the EU they had improved various aspects of training and maintenance, which Garuda, and Indonesian Air Asia have done.
Unfair to compare Air Asia with Lion Air who have been trying to get off the blacklist for a long time (even prior to Bali water landing) for reputational rather the practical purposes (neither JT or QZ have intentions to fly to Europe).
But keeping this as an aside as not sure about relevance in this sad case. The EU Blacklist (which outlawed all Indonesian airlines flying to the EU) was considered as a 'slap on the wrist' regarding overall Indonesian aviation safety (from maintenance to ATC to individual airlines). It wasn't targetting one specific airline. It came when no Indonesian airline (inc. Garuda) were flying to Europe or even intended to. It was a warning to EU citizens to be wary of the increased risk, and led to a lot of improvements.
Also, individual airlines then had to prove to the EU they had improved various aspects of training and maintenance, which Garuda, and Indonesian Air Asia have done.
Unfair to compare Air Asia with Lion Air who have been trying to get off the blacklist for a long time (even prior to Bali water landing) for reputational rather the practical purposes (neither JT or QZ have intentions to fly to Europe).
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I still want to ask one question - why the transmitter does not have independent power source which would allow its operation regardless of engine power? How much weight a battery would add? Is this that difficult?
Secondly - why it is even possible to turn off transmitter while on air? This is civilian plane, right? And ATC must know where it is at any moment.
Secondly - why it is even possible to turn off transmitter while on air? This is civilian plane, right? And ATC must know where it is at any moment.