Originally Posted by opus99

It’s not being largely replaced by the 787 actually. We are looking at another 15 frames or so. EKs 777x is not doing to dip under 100 frames I expect the 777-8 to be moved to the 778 which is 14 frames and the 11 options on the -8. EK Cancelled about 35. QR hasn’t cancelled. EY stated that it is still continuing to take on 25 bear in mind the way the US accounting practices work if there’s any doubt on the probability of these orders. Boeing cannot count them. THE 777x still has LH, BA, Singapore, ANA, and CX. All of have or all have strong balance sheets. You can’t discount 777x customers when they are also 35K customers just because you’re not convinced on the 777x the 777x has stable customers if you want to look at the books. Bear in mind that 170 counts Iran air which has 16 orders. Iran air also cancelled their a350 customers so really it sits more like 154. Cathay also moved to 900s at the start of the coronavirus. The 777x order book in my opinion remains strong because of the blue chip customers that support the book. Many of which are strongly backed by their governments at the moment.


but even Airbus has said they need to work on the cost of their A350s in order to compete better the widebody market. Everybody knows this. WW has said multiple times. Airbus make fantastic aircrafts but they’re too expensive. That’s another thing that plagued the 380 it was just too expensive which is why although BA used it well they never went higher than 3. Whereas for the 777x BA signed up to 42. If you look at the records. BAs main reason for actually signing up for the 35K was simply because Boeing wasn’t ready when BA was (though it still proved to be a good decision) and The 777x program had to be very developed before committed. Head sales at the time. Said they were not moved when Ba bought the 1000s because they knew BA would buy the 777x eventually and they had always said it from the moment it launched.

Originally Posted by GBOAC

I really don't understand how relaxed people are about 788 and 789 being the long haul future. HAVE THEY EVEN FLOWN ECONOMY IN A 9 ABREAST DREAMLINE. Its an awful experience. And IMHO dry cabin on a 777 is not much better (9 across, not tried 10 yet)
I had two HKG-LHR flights a few years ago one month appart. One was PE on a 777 and one was Y on an A380. I felt better off the Economy A380 than the Premium 777, such was the space and cabin air quality.
First flight in a 788 I ended up with a sore back from 5 hours of leaning to my left (not helped by the large passenger next to me encroaching into my shoulder and hip space).
The lost of the 747 is bad enough, but to loose the A380 will be terrible. I will have to structure my longhaul flying over the limited A350 routes, certainly when flying Y.

Originally Posted by elwe

Some companies have done very well from covid, with profits up massively.

In my current role I don't have to justify my travel, I don't see this changing. The yearly travel costs are a drop in the ocean. I am encouraged to travel more, not less. And I fly F.

It is almost certain there will be far more home working in my company, with home quite possibly being much further away and thus company travel may well increase, not decrease.

I recognise this is rarer, but it is a situation that exists out there.

Originally Posted by alex67500

A little off-topic, but interesting to see that AF is thinking of installing F on some of their A350s. With their A380s leaving, the fleet was losing 90 F seats, but it seems they're not abandoning the product after all. I wonder if BA will keep the same commitment. With the 747s out, reductions to 8 seats on the 777s, and now rumours around the A380 it would mean a lot of F seats gone.

Originally Posted by IAMORGAN

LH is considering retiring all of its A380s according to Bloomberg. Will be interesting to see where this leaves mx for BA.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ource=url_link

Originally Posted by tattikat2

BA lists the A380 for both of the 2 daily LHR-SFO flights next June.

Wonder if that will change in light of this threads information?

Originally Posted by Globaliser

The only constant is change.

Originally Posted by tattikat2

BA lists the A380 for both of the 2 daily LHR-SFO flights next June.

Wonder if that will change in light of this threads information?

Originally Posted by niavaran

Buying the 380s clearly was a mistake in retrospect, but getting rid of them now takes moronic to new levels. They are 7 years old (or so), meaning they've lived ******a third at a minimum***** of their flying life. Even if BA got an amazing deal when buying them (which I don't think they did since they didn't buy that many, but...) to retire them now would mean a massive cost to underwrite. Virtually no one (Saudi princes aside) is going to be buying, which means they literally have to take on the hundreds of millions per plane they spent as a lost cause.

Demand will return eventually. To just retire 380s because there isn't demand right now is unbelievably near-sighted. Unfortunately, that's the way BA operates these days. Retiring the mid Club World 321s was moronic (no one will fly 320s to Cairo and Moscow when competitors offer flat beds...) but BA did it because right now the demand isn't there.

The Cruz/Walsh line of thinking has its limitations. And they will be encountered once this storm has passed.

Originally Posted by HIDDY

I suspect BA management will take decisons based on relaible data.