Why no middle name?
Feeling paranoid, but when I just booked my flight on BA website I had nowhere to add a middle name (which is on my passport).
I know I've booked flights on this site before but cannot recall anything about the middle name. I tried searching threads but whenever I try to search this forum only I end up with the entire site still. appreciate any reassurance/advice |
I have 2 middle names. No room on the boarding card for them.
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As far as BA is concerned middle names aren't an issue, it causes more problems than it is worth given the presence of matronymics in the Spanish, Catalan and Portuguese world. So first name and family name is all BA needs (and even they don't have to match the passport precisely, though it's best that they do so). If they allowed for one middle name, they'd have to allow for those with many middle names and you have to draw the line somewhere. You can get a middle name on BA, some booking systems feed it through via concatenating the first names. Which then gets mangled but it's usually obvious who is involved.
Approximately a hundred million people only have one name, over a million are in this position in the EU alone, and there are systems in place for that for both airlines and API (either repeat the name or add "NoNameGiven" in one box). |
Thank you! I appreciate the speedy (and logical) responses.
North America (my more familiar areas) are strict with middle names (in my experience) fantastic. Thank you. Have a great day! |
Originally Posted by expateacher
(Post 31973638)
Thank you! I appreciate the speedy (and logical) responses.
North America (my more familiar areas) are strict with middle names (in my experience) fantastic. Thank you. Have a great day! |
I usually put my middle name in the field for First Name or Given Name (just in case of any issues) when booking. But like others have said, I've also not had any issues with BA but it's just a habit I have especially when travelling with other carriers.
E.g. Given Name: FIRSTNAME MIDDLENAME Surname: SURNAME |
I have just one middle name, or middle initial in US documentation I think.
Have I condemned by children to a world of pain by giving them 2 middle names? |
Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31973650)
I can say that having no middle name - and thus not filling in the field - often gets questioned in the States.
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Mrs Wilsnunn has five names plus her surname and she never understood what to do when booking flight tickets. Now I do all of her flight bookings for her and I always put her first two names (the ones she actually uses on a regular basis) as her first name in the system and her surname in the surname field. The remaining names which are on her passport but not on the booking haven’t caused any issue so far.
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Originally Posted by T8191
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I have just one middle name, or middle initial in US documentation I think.
Have I condemned by children to a world of pain by giving them 2 middle names? |
Originally Posted by wilsnunn
(Post 31973964)
Mrs Wilsnunn has five names
Five, wow :) |
i think when you book the flights they do not ask for a middle name
i think when you go to add APIS data, passport number etc, you get the opportunity to put i there |
The IATA ticketing standard is two names. Those carriers which provide for titles, middle names and the rest are all doing so as fluff which causes more hassles than it is worth.
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No airline cares about middle names. Not in Europe and not in North America.
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Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31973650)
I can say that having no middle name - and thus not filling in the field - often gets questioned in the States.
I have never, never been questioned in the USA. |
A middle name on a ticket is not required in the US, afaik.
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Originally Posted by brunos
(Post 31974576)
I have a middle name and never put it on the ticket as I only have my first name on my FFP.
I have never, never been questioned in the USA. |
Originally Posted by Paren
(Post 31973854)
I usually put my middle name in the field for First Name or Given Name (just in case of any issues) when booking. But like others have said, I've also not had any issues with BA but it's just a habit I have especially when travelling with other carriers.
E.g. Given Name: FIRSTNAME MIDDLENAME Surname: SURNAME |
Originally Posted by LondonElite
(Post 31974458)
No airline cares about middle names. Not in Europe and not in North America.
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Mrs Aus ATC has a hyphenated first name, but no middle name. Invariably a drama, as many systems cannot accommodate the "-". We either just book her with the first part (by which she is commonly known), or sometimes string the 2 parts together.
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Originally Posted by brunos
(Post 31974576)
I have a middle name and never put it on the ticket as I only have my first name on my FFP.
I have never, never been questioned in the USA. incidentally I hate it when hosts have booked my ticket and included middle name or title as you then need to enter the exact combination they chose under first name to retrieve a booking... |
I knew a guy in the RAF who had 6 or 7 first names. He was known as "A to Z B*******"" ;).
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My pet hate on name conventions is using firstname middle initial lastname such as Jane B Gomez. I see it a lot in the US. To me it is neither fish nor fowl. Use the name or don't use it but putting the middle initial in is just ugly.
And then some people introduce themselves in that form too. My middle name has the same number of syllables as its initial, so it's not even saving any breath. |
Originally Posted by Gshumway
(Post 31973937)
I don't have a middle name and haven't been questioned about it once in 20+ years in the States. /shrug.
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Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 31975231)
Asian airlines, and particularly Cathay Pacific, care about middle names due to most Chinese names being three characters. There are fewer family names in Chinese than there are in western names, and the first character of the given name within a family is often the same for all children.
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Originally Posted by sxc
(Post 31975231)
Asian airlines, and particularly Cathay Pacific, care about middle names due to most Chinese names being three characters. There are fewer family names in Chinese than there are in western names, and the first character of the given name within a family is often the same for all children.
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The above discussion on the intricacies of names in different cultural contexts reminds me of this nearly ten year old blog post, Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names.
The whole thing is worth a read if you’re interested in this kind of thing, and is too long to quote fully, but it is a witty exposition of the assumptions programmers (and all of us) instinctively make on this topic due to our own cultural backgrounds. I have lived in Japan for several years, programming in a professional capacity, and I have broken many systems by the simple expedient of being introduced into them. ... I’ve worked with Big Freaking Enterprises which, by dint of doing business globally, have theoretically designed their systems to allow all names to work in them. I have never seen a computer system which handles names properly and doubt one exists, anywhere. So, as a public service, I’m going to list assumptions your systems probably make about names. All of these assumptions are wrong. Try to make less of them next time you write a system which touches names.
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I have a middle name but I never use it; neither for air travel - I have never had any issues (I have taken hundreds of flights). Adding the middle name only complicates things.
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I guess in the past the language of “booking name must match exactly as it appears on passport” is where I’ve been concerned.
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Originally Posted by expateacher
(Post 31976185)
I guess in the past the language of “booking name must match exactly as it appears on passport” is where I’ve been concerned.
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Dont believe everything you read. Yet another example of rules that are not enforced and nobody care about.
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All my work bookings through AMEX end up on BA with my first and second names concatenated without a space or capital letter on the second name. Firstnamesecondname Surname.
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I use the abbreviated version (Tim) of my full first name although my passport of course has the full version. The abbreviated version is what is entered on the BA EC therefore this is what BA knows me as and the BPs always have this printed on. On BA it is never an issue (except for one rather pedantic check-in agent at GOA) but never, ever anywhere else on BA's network. Even using SSCI, BA's systems are OK with my passport having the full version but the booking being the abbreviated one
But on pretty much all other airlines it is always rejected, particularly on Flybe and Swiss whereby it is insisted the full version is used on any booking otherwise the computer says "no" |
Originally Posted by expateacher
(Post 31976185)
I guess in the past the language of “booking name must match exactly as it appears on passport” is where I’ve been concerned.
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Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31973650)
I can say that having no middle name - and thus not filling in the field - often gets questioned in the States.
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Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31973650)
I can say that having no middle name - and thus not filling in the field - often gets questioned in the States.
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I have a middle name in my passport but have only ever entered it in the ESTA and similar forms, never for a flight booking. No problem so far.
Funny sidenote: I was issued a credit card once that had not only my name above the cc# but also a good part of my address. |
Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31973650)
I can say that having no middle name - and thus not filling in the field - often gets questioned in the States.
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Originally Posted by rickg523
(Post 31973650)
I can say that having no middle name - and thus not filling in the field - often gets questioned in the States.
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I have the dubious honour of having five surnames, one of which is three words long (de Las Mellizas) and two of which are hyphenated. All in my full name is 61 characters long. Plays merry hell with every system let alone airlines. Fortunately, I have an observation added to my passport that I only regularly use two surnames, but those are the hyphenated ones so it still doesn’t work well with many systems.
That said, I’ve never had an issue with my middle name not being on a ticket nor my (listed) surnames being concatenated without the hyphen. |
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