WTP-Avios upgrade v AUP/POUG gamble
Hi all,
I would like to make use of the good value WTP east coast fares which are unlikely I think to be cheaper come any potential boxing day sale (?) but would like to travel in CW as I need the TPs...however don't want to waste money doing so for my partner and would prefer to use miles for this upgrade for her... What do you think about this? I think this would mean booking 2 separate PNRs - 1 booking WTP with immediate upgrade into avios space in CW and the other into WTP (T-class fare - this is fully upgradeable with avios etc?) and then hoping for an AUP or POUG...Is there more tax payable with this? Or just the uplift from WTP to CW in tax? (It's a few hundred more in cost to dummy book the WTP with avios upgrade) Am I mad? We would want to sit together so appreciate it's a bit of a gamble... I can't afford the CW stand alone fare sadly. Thoughts on a Christmas Eve postcard very welcome! |
There is no difference in tax bwtween WTP and CW APD is the same for both cabins.. There is likely additional BA surcharge though.
Given the current sale lasts until the end of January (almost easter!) I don't think there will be any Boxing Day offers. It comes downto risk really. If you want to sit next to each other then I'd plan to stay in WTP as you'd be hoping 2 CW seats eerged. (you might want to alert the mods to change your thread title - it looks like you want to avoid an upgrade not get an avios one!) |
Tax is the same in premium economy or business; however, BA's surcharges are typically £100 more each way in business from London (e.g., when upgrading with avios).
AUPs and POUGs are priced all inclusive, so you wouldn't pay any more fees on those. Could you fly Club from Dublin or elsewhere and meet your partner on the flight? |
Originally Posted by muggle
(Post 31872130)
Am I mad? We would want to sit together so appreciate it's a bit of a gamble... I can't afford the CW stand alone fare sadly.
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Originally Posted by muggle
(Post 31872130)
Hi all,
I would like to make use of the good value WTP east coast fares which are unlikely I think to be cheaper come any potential boxing day sale (?) but would like to travel in CW as I need the TPs...however don't want to waste money doing so for my partner and would prefer to use miles for this upgrade for her... What do you think about this? I think this would mean booking 2 separate PNRs - 1 booking WTP with immediate upgrade into avios space in CW and the other into WTP (T-class fare - this is fully upgradeable with avios etc?) and then hoping for an AUP or POUG...Is there more tax payable with this? Or just the uplift from WTP to CW in tax? (It's a few hundred more in cost to dummy book the WTP with avios upgrade) Am I mad? We would want to sit together so appreciate it's a bit of a gamble... I can't afford the CW stand alone fare sadly. Thoughts on a Christmas Eve postcard very welcome! |
Thank all...could someone correct my typo - sorry last day at work and was typing too fast!
It's LHR-JFK likely on the 16th Jan - return 21st Jan. There is CW Avios availability on 177 and 115 on outbound and on everything other than 178 and 112 on the return. Cash fare WTP return is £546.17 but the UuA cost into CW is showing as £746.17 plus 48,000 avios. Is that right? It breaks down as £84 fare (!) and £662.17 taxes and fees. Does that sound right - £200 'fee to use avios'?! I would UuA but need the TPs for myself as i'm trying to requalify as gold again. Also it's labelling flights including and after the 19.25 departure as 'sleeper service' - I thought this has disappeared and all flights were full service now? x |
Originally Posted by HarryKUK
(Post 31872195)
I don’t get it. You say you need the tier points - so presumably risking an AUP/POUG is a problem as if you stay in WTP you also lose out on the TPs you say you need. Also, you couldn’t use “your” name on the Avios upgraded seat as that would only get WTP tier points anyway, so I don’t see how any of this solves your tier points issue.
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Originally Posted by muggle
(Post 31872226)
Cash fare WTP return is £546.17 but the UuA cost into CW is showing as £746.17 plus 48,000 avios. Is that right? It breaks down as £84 fare (!) and £662.17 taxes and fees. Does that sound right - £200 'fee to use avios'?! I would UuA but need the TPs for myself as i'm trying to requalify as gold again.
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Originally Posted by muggle
(Post 31872226)
Cash fare WTP return is £546.17 but the UuA cost into CW is showing as £746.17 plus 48,000 avios. Is that right? It breaks down as £84 fare (!) and £662.17 taxes and fees. Does that sound right - £200 'fee to use avios'?! I would UuA but need the TPs for myself as i'm trying to requalify as gold again.
On the other hand you have got the Avios amount correct, 48k per person. The other point is that while they are offering DIFs on your flights, I'm somewhat puzzled they are offering redemptions, since for the NYC flights are getting fairly full. There is also a minimum stay aspect that may be getting in the way here. But if you did want to do cash CW then I'd travel on 14 January and look at the usual suspects such as GOT, ARN, AMS and so on for a European mainland fare. But particularly on 16 January then I wouldn't assume on POUGs or AUPs. 21 January, on the other hand, seems fairly quiet. Also on that sector check the BA Holidays fares, that is the sort of sector where a hotel or car included may make sense. If you go on the early flights to JFK and on the day flight back, then WTP both ways would seem a very tolerable bargain. Also consider BOS instead of NYC for an even shorter flight. Finally I have no crystal ball about this, but if BA were to launch any special fares shortly, they could easily be of the BOGOF type and NYC is bound to be in scope for this. |
Also if you book on two separate PNRs you won't be able to use your status to select a seat for your partner so unless she has status it will be pay or select at checkin.
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Originally Posted by PaulN
(Post 31872369)
Also if you book on two separate PNRs you won't be able to use your status to select a seat for your partner so unless she has status it will be pay or select at checkin.
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Originally Posted by Cymro
(Post 31872380)
As the OP is gold, BA will arrange this manually as long as both travellers are in the same cabin.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 31872281)
Right, quite a few points to make here. Firstly the online UuA tool is often incorrect, and you are best to talk to book the WTP fare and then upgrade via an agent. Before you do so, you best look at the taxes, fees and surcharges and work out roughly what they should be. On NYC the WTP carrier surcharge is £200, and the CW fare - on a London departure - is £400. There are no meaningful differences in taxes (there would be for WT to WTP) and the only other difference would be in exchange rates, which will benefit you as often as they don't. So the UuA cash component should be £200 give or take. The reason for online tool's problem in this area is that it is being based on a different sort of WTP, whereas you appear to be looking at fare basis TLN4Z1M4, which seems to have some of the characteristics of a DIF ticket. Online BA can't seem to get DIF tickets into the WTP to CW UuA upgrade calculator.
On the other hand you have got the Avios amount correct, 48k per person. The other point is that while they are offering DIFs on your flights, I'm somewhat puzzled they are offering redemptions, since for the NYC flights are getting fairly full. There is also a minimum stay aspect that may be getting in the way here. But if you did want to do cash CW then I'd travel on 14 January and look at the usual suspects such as GOT, ARN, AMS and so on for a European mainland fare. But particularly on 16 January then I wouldn't assume on POUGs or AUPs. 21 January, on the other hand, seems fairly quiet. Also on that sector check the BA Holidays fares, that is the sort of sector where a hotel or car included may make sense. If you go on the early flights to JFK and on the day flight back, then WTP both ways would seem a very tolerable bargain. Also consider BOS instead of NYC for an even shorter flight. Finally I have no crystal ball about this, but if BA were to launch any special fares shortly, they could easily be of the BOGOF type and NYC is bound to be in scope for this. Can I just check a couple of things, are you saying that as long as i can see the cash UuA component being £200 difference between cash WTP fare and UuA cash that's correct (and it it processes online) but if not I should call - trying to avoid 'offline service fees' or as DIF type ticket best to call anyway as IT can mess it up? Sadly I can't travel 14th as I'm en route back from SJO via DFW (!) but have a month off work (clearing 2019 leave i'm owed!) so trying to max out the travel as much as possible. Very interesting what you're saying about loads re: potential POUG/AUP chances on 16th - very helpful. Do you think this is primed for a midnight revenue control reset and suddenly it might all disappear? The CW fares seems at the same price as revenue tickets (i know that doesn't really mean anything - it's all so blinking complicated) I would be minded to wait until 27th just in case a luxury sale triggered a BOGOF c.2k deal and dates worked for me as it would ultimately save considerable stress unless the house of cards might collapse before then. I have found JFK both ways totally fine in WTP before with enough wine, it's just the extra points (and avios to burn) and also the feeling of max'ing out my rest time by being in CW with a lot of flying just a few days before in J. I doubt i'll ever been allowed such a long time off in one chunk again. THANK YOU |
Originally Posted by muggle
(Post 31873143)
Can I just check a couple of things, are you saying that as long as i can see the cash UuA component being £200 difference between cash WTP fare and UuA cash that's correct (and it it processes online) but if not I should call - trying to avoid 'offline service fees' or as DIF type ticket best to call anyway as IT can mess it up?
. Very interesting what you're saying about loads re: potential POUG/AUP chances on 16th - very helpful. Do you think this is primed for a midnight revenue control reset and suddenly it might all disappear? I would be minded to wait until 27th just in case a luxury sale triggered a BOGOF c.2k deal and dates worked for me as it would ultimately save considerable stress unless the house of cards might collapse before then. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 31873246)
Yes. There aren't any service fees for UuA, but yes do it via a Contact Centre if online shows a figure greater than £200 give or take a few quid. If it does quote approximately £200 then you are good to go. Also all you are checking for is full redemption availability online, in which case UuA from WTP will also be available to you so long as it is a BA ticket and no other complications. The UuA button in MMB is not one of the more reliable aspects of BA's systems.
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