New BA First Class? [8F configured Boeing 772]
 

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BA173 tomorrow (09.10.19) - accordingly to Expert Flyer. The only BA cabin to currently operate an 8 seat F Cabin is the 7879.
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Published F cabin of the 777-200.

BA173 departing tomorrow (09.10.19), LHR - JFK is operated by a 777-200. The First cabin is showing as just 8 seats... could we about to get a glimpse of the new BA First Cabin? There is significant speculation that it will be the same seat that features on the 787-9, but possibly with a door....

It’s exactly the same as today’s F on the 777, just 8 seats.

Will the First cabin now have only one WC?

Yes, just one.

Maybe I‘m a bit slow, but is a 789 operating the JFK flight, or is there a new 777 config with just 8 F seats? If so, have I not been paying enough attention to FT over the past months?

It seems you’ll be on G-RAES (providing all goes to plan) as per the 777 refurb thread

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...8-onwards.html

Hi,

This will be the reconfigured 777 with the new Club world suites ( and 8 F) which are coming on line..

Regards

TBS

New F, as in „new“? Or just same old F with fewer seats?

The new first seat is still some way off, the B777s will have the current B777 F Seat, just reupholstered.

Will be interesting to see how F passengers react to the F seat on these new configuration flights after walking through J to F.

Indeed it might be the first time people won’t moan that they’ve been downgraded (only to J of course)! :cool:

Does the 777 8 seat F cabin have the buddy seat or is it the same as the 789?

Please post some images of the First cabin! It will be interesting to see how BA have reconfigured the cabin and refreshed the seats.

It has the buddy seat.

Relieved! As nice as the new J seat appears to be, I’m sure I’ll be happier with the space and exclusivity of the First seat and cabin.

I hadn’t realised BA’s most loyal passengers considered Club World such a trauma! :p

Will Row 1, i.e. half the seats, still be reserved for Gold?

I think the way this tends to work on the 787-9 is that 1A&K are blocked whereas 1E&F are not.

Yes, I’d take a downgrade to the new J and 75% refund of my fare quite happily.

Guessing this smaller cabin will make the chance of F Avios reward seats being available even less :(

Yes, to improve profitability

This source of future complaint has long been predicted.

I'm guessing F loses a crew member on this config as a result?

Yes, this crewmember moves into CW.

It should make the CCR far less crowded, eventually. BA is effectively halving the number of F seats it sells.

Every cloud.....

I understand there is also discussion that the First cabin on the B789 may be reduced to just 4 seats when those aircraft are retrofitted with the new J suites.

Sorry, OT but: Does this mean that the inhabitants of the CCR are currently more likely to be flying F than to be CCR card holders?

Yes, the vast majority are those flying in First. I don’t find the CCR is crowded though, yes it can get busy at certain times but one can normally find a space to settle down.

I’ve got no reliable data for this but my guess would be that more than 90% of people in the CCR at any time are F passengers. The number of CCR holders who are in there only by virtue of their card (ie not also on an F ticket) is never more than a handful. Unless, of course, there is a “do” on. :-)

A lot of people have said for a while on Flyertalk they wanted a smaller F cabin.

Yes, but I believe most of those who posted that were likely posting under the expectation that this would facilitate a better F seat rather than the same F as currently just with less seats!

Indeed.

Youd need to be a tad strange to prefer a dorm full of 50 odd seats with 30% less space!

A newer First seat is on its way, but we won’t see that for a while.

Except that it's highly unlikely F passengers have paid the same fare as they saw J advertised for, the point is that they have paid a premium to be in F which needs to be deemed to provide adequate value or they will just pay for J instead. BA need to be careful that they don't potentially risk F becoming 'upgrade class' on this aircraft, as AA's international F frequently is.

Given the refrain which is posted again and again here that BA's F has '30% more space' than other reverse herringbone seats I'd also note that BA's F on the 747/777 makes poor use of the extra space (as an aside I'm not sure how they can both have 30% more space given the 747 seat clearly has much less personal space than the 777 to me). The seat may take up 30% more floor space than Club Suites but that doesn't mean there is 30% more usable space for the passenger - it has zero storage, poorly place power outlets and a lot of wasted space (e.g. by the window). This is before you consider whether there is any benefit to the privacy impact of the Club Suite door.

Indeed, I look forward to that and the sooner the better.

Hopefully it will see the return of the Z position. I really miss that from old first, especially now I am regularly flying revenue F instead of the occasional UuA.

Any live pictures for the new F on the 777? I think most people in F should have boarded the plane.

That's the way it works on all the BA aircraft with an F cabin. Only 1A and 1K are reserved for Golds, the rest of Row 1 (to the extent it exists) is available for selection by anyone with a confirmed reservation in the F cabin.

It is confirmed - the new First Class seat on the 777-200 is the same as the 787-9 First class seat!

Thought so. Anyone got pics?

Boo! My least favourite for sleeping and space. I thought they were reupholstering the original 'New First' B777 seat (in B789 colors) rather than putting in the B789 seat.