IAG signs LOI for 200 737MAX - some for BA LGW
Jul 31, 2019, 5:57 am
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indeed. Given the history, it’s also quite possible that when regulators give the go ahead, if a new fatal accident occurs due to the fixes not being what they should be, victims’ families might consider this a case of negligence and invoke the personal criminal responsibility of those who have (whether technically or administratively) failed to protect the lives of their family members.
in my view, the stakes are that high.
Jul 31, 2019, 6:35 am
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Jul 31, 2019, 6:36 am
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That is also a live possibility in respect of the existing crashes already. As always in matters such as these, successful criminal prosecutions are no easy thing, but for sure there will be some people who have been involved in the Max to date who could *potentially* be subject to criminal charges as things stand.
As echo’d by many others here, I won’t step foot on a MAX until it has had a clean record for a number of years. This whole episode and the behaviour of management in particular begs the question, what else don’t we know?
Jul 31, 2019, 6:39 am
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That is also a live possibility in respect of the existing crashes already. As always in matters such as these, successful criminal prosecutions are no easy thing, but for sure there will be some people who have been involved in the Max to date who could *potentially* be subject to criminal charges as things stand.
Jul 31, 2019, 7:49 am
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Indeed EASA and all the other national safety agencies will have to be happy before the MAX can fly on their register again. Previously, most agencies would have largely rubber stamped the FAA's decision to certify an aircraft for service, this seems far less likely now.
It may well be that the FAA say the MAX can fly again, but then EASA (and other agencies) will want to look, in forensic detail, at the MCAS fix and other issues that have arisen as a result. They may not be happy with the fix and demand additional measures.
It may well be that the FAA say the MAX can fly again, but then EASA (and other agencies) will want to look, in forensic detail, at the MCAS fix and other issues that have arisen as a result. They may not be happy with the fix and demand additional measures.
There was an article on Bloomberg earlier this month that revealed the EASA have notified Boeing of an area of concern that hadn't previously been mentioned - the autopilot failing to disengage in certain emergencies. I'm sure, right now, the FAA will take advice from any credible agency before allowing the plane to fly again anywhere.
Jul 31, 2019, 8:22 am
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I wonder how much of a passenger boycott there will actually be once the dust settles and the MAX starts flying again, especially if it's under a new new name. Sure, some (myself included) will try to avoid it when booking, but even then schedule changes could throw a spanner in the works.
I suspect that unless one or two newspapers (the DM?) get on the case and list airlines and routes flying the MAX, most passengers won't even know anything about the whole saga let alone what plane they are on.
I suspect that unless one or two newspapers (the DM?) get on the case and list airlines and routes flying the MAX, most passengers won't even know anything about the whole saga let alone what plane they are on.
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Jul 31, 2019, 8:46 am
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I wonder how much of a passenger boycott there will actually be once the dust settles and the MAX starts flying again, especially if it's under a new new name. Sure, some (myself included) will try to avoid it when booking, but even then schedule changes could through a spanner in the works.
I suspect that unless one or two newspapers (the DM?) get on the case and list airlines and routes flying the MAX, most passengers won't even know anything about the whole saga let alone what plane they are on.
I suspect that unless one or two newspapers (the DM?) get on the case and list airlines and routes flying the MAX, most passengers won't even know anything about the whole saga let alone what plane they are on.
I don't know if DC-10 passenger numbers suffered at the time, I flew on one against my will in 1979 but I was only 10 and my parents insisted I got on the plane with them! Looking back on it my dad worked in the aviation industry and he was happy to get on it, or maybe he wasn't but didn't dare show that. It was at the time BA were leasing them from Air New Zealand and we were only on standby tickets so it was get on it or go home.
These days most people are a lot more aware. There will be a percentage of people who really don't care, even if they do know what plane they're getting on, but I wouldn't like to be the person who forecasts future passenger numbers for an airline that has the Max right now.
Jul 31, 2019, 9:07 am
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Some pretty bleak news been given by Michael O’Leary this afternoon, saying up to 500 pilots could go.
So at an average of 5-7 crews per aircraft that would fit exactly in the ball park of the number of MAX’s they should have had, but won’t, by next summer. There should have been 50 but could be as little as 10.
That is an enormous backlog and the delays are only likely to increase.
So at an average of 5-7 crews per aircraft that would fit exactly in the ball park of the number of MAX’s they should have had, but won’t, by next summer. There should have been 50 but could be as little as 10.
That is an enormous backlog and the delays are only likely to increase.
Jul 31, 2019, 9:17 am
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Some pretty bleak news been given by Michael O’Leary this afternoon, saying up to 500 pilots could go.
So at an average of 5-7 crews per aircraft that would fit exactly in the ball park of the number of MAX’s they should have had, but won’t, by next summer. There should have been 50 but could be as little as 10.
That is an enormous backlog and the delays are only likely to increase.
So at an average of 5-7 crews per aircraft that would fit exactly in the ball park of the number of MAX’s they should have had, but won’t, by next summer. There should have been 50 but could be as little as 10.
That is an enormous backlog and the delays are only likely to increase.
Jul 31, 2019, 11:26 am
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O'Liary is whining again and threatening job losses because the MAX isn't flying. It's unbelievable the amount of objecting to the grounding of this dangerous aircraft he is doing.
Did he convince Walsh to buy it?
Did he convince Walsh to buy it?
Jul 31, 2019, 11:39 am
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Aug 3, 2019, 9:49 am
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Now it seems Walsh wants the design-flawed, dangerous plane delivered earlier:
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-ai...ially-planned/
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-ai...ially-planned/
Aug 3, 2019, 9:58 am
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Now it seems Walsh wants the design-flawed, dangerous plane delivered earlier:
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-ai...ially-planned/
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-ai...ially-planned/
Aug 3, 2019, 10:03 am
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Now it seems Walsh wants the design-flawed, dangerous plane delivered earlier:
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-ai...ially-planned/
https://airlinerwatch.com/british-ai...ially-planned/
I watched the Panorama programme “Boeing’s Killer Planes” and the way the CEO of Boeing refused to admit they were to blame - saying it was all part of a chain of events - was repellant. He should go to prison.
Aug 3, 2019, 11:12 am
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I wonder how much of a passenger boycott there will actually be once the dust settles and the MAX starts flying again, especially if it's under a new new name. Sure, some (myself included) will try to avoid it when booking, but even then schedule changes could throw a spanner in the works.
I suspect that unless one or two newspapers (the DM?) get on the case and list airlines and routes flying the MAX, most passengers won't even know anything about the whole saga let alone what plane they are on.
I suspect that unless one or two newspapers (the DM?) get on the case and list airlines and routes flying the MAX, most passengers won't even know anything about the whole saga let alone what plane they are on.