Changes to Avios / TP credit for Gold Upgrades via travel agents
Mar 26, 2019, 4:39 am
#31
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I guess the bright side here is that it will make earning GGL much harder for many people, therefore reducing the number of GGL members. This, in turn, should allow BA to offer a more appropriate level of membership to the people spending the most money with the airline.
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
Mar 26, 2019, 4:49 am
#32
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That's annoying. Just as I was about to put my first one to good use. Oh well, at least I will still be able to take advantage of the upgrade if not the Avios/TP benefit.
Last edited by JessicaTam; Mar 26, 2019 at 5:06 am
Mar 26, 2019, 5:40 am
#33
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Will it? I mean, even on a SYD fare the most additional points are going to be 300 (assuming J-F usage) return?
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
This move is not unexpected and I am just grateful for the extra TP's and additional GUF's over the last few years. It was a nice bonus while it lasted.
Mar 26, 2019, 8:05 am
#34
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Will it? I mean, even on a SYD fare the most additional points are going to be 300 (assuming J-F usage) return?
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
Mar 26, 2019, 9:01 am
#35
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Yes, you are. There are ways to abuse the GUF system and gain many more tier points than paid for, earning far more than just the difference between a lowly J to F return, which this change will stop. The people pushing the system to the limits are those who will lose out most.
Mar 26, 2019, 9:37 am
#36
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Will it? I mean, even on a SYD fare the most additional points are going to be 300 (assuming J-F usage) return?
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
To get the 2xGUF1 vouchers you need to be hitting 3500 anyway, which isn't exactly scraping requalification.
I dunno, just doesn't seem like it will make that much difference to number of GGLs; or am I missing something?
on new earning I am set to 9560 Tps, on old earning using all gufs appropriately it would have been more like 11,000 TPs this year...
Mar 26, 2019, 10:29 am
#37
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I admit I have not looked too hard but I have not seen an explicit statement that gold upgrade vouchers used on a revenue booking only earn the TPs and AVIOS for the pre upgraded cabin. On AVIOS upgraded bookings it is clear that the lower TPs are due.
Last edited by Rubecula; Mar 26, 2019 at 10:35 am
Mar 26, 2019, 12:17 pm
#38
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Mar 26, 2019, 12:33 pm
#39
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I don't think anyone would have been too put out if BA had simply announced the closure of the loophole with effect from now, but to employ teams of people to retrospectively reduce the number of tier-points and avios (that BA had previously advised such customers would be earned) to a lower level, seems unnecessarily mean-spirited.
I have a GUF'd itinerary coming up soon and if the tier points awarded are reduced below those originally advised I will fail to requalify for GGL this year, so I will need to take an extra 160 tier-point EU flight to maintain my status. This is not the end of the world, but had I known this was in the wind, I would have foregone the currently rather dubious pleasure of flying F on BA for ex-ARN flights with QR in J.
Incidentally although my current booking was through a travel agent, a similar booking I made last year through BA GGL line also resulted in me getting tier points and avios based on the upgraded cabin rate. Has anyone else experienced this?
I have a GUF'd itinerary coming up soon and if the tier points awarded are reduced below those originally advised I will fail to requalify for GGL this year, so I will need to take an extra 160 tier-point EU flight to maintain my status. This is not the end of the world, but had I known this was in the wind, I would have foregone the currently rather dubious pleasure of flying F on BA for ex-ARN flights with QR in J.
Incidentally although my current booking was through a travel agent, a similar booking I made last year through BA GGL line also resulted in me getting tier points and avios based on the upgraded cabin rate. Has anyone else experienced this?
Mar 26, 2019, 12:35 pm
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Mar 26, 2019, 12:58 pm
#41
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Understood, but my comment related to this reducing the number of GGLs. Those people using significant numbers of GUF vouchers as a result of earning them at 7k, 8k, etc. aren't going to be struggling to requalify for GGL; just ending on a lower TP number. And ironically probably earning fewer GUF vouchers.
Mar 26, 2019, 3:20 pm
#42
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Understood, but my comment related to this reducing the number of GGLs. Those people using significant numbers of GUF vouchers as a result of earning them at 7k, 8k, etc. aren't going to be struggling to requalify for GGL; just ending on a lower TP number. And ironically probably earning fewer GUF vouchers.
...and you have nailed my position perfectly, I'll finish up missing out on 4 GUF1's, but easily requalify GGL.
Mar 26, 2019, 4:05 pm
#43
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Pretty sad. Used my voucher a couple of times to HKG/SIN in paid C with all F-benefits, including Avios/TP boost of course.
Thanks a lot for posting this information here as I was about to use one of my GUF2 vouchers in the very near feature for the same destination that would have cost a lot more. It's going to be QR then...
Thanks a lot for posting this information here as I was about to use one of my GUF2 vouchers in the very near feature for the same destination that would have cost a lot more. It's going to be QR then...
Mar 27, 2019, 3:38 am
#45
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From BA's point of view, however, I could think of a lot of much easier ways of reducing the number of GGLs than this; if that's indeed what they're trying to do.