Mar 16, 2019, 7:00 am
Last edit by: Prospero
First BA Twitter post:
https://twitter.com/British_Airways/status/1106857665068707840
BA Instragram post with 4 photos:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvEKjO-n9hg/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14p0om4wqz650
https://twitter.com/British_Airways/status/1106857665068707840
BA Instragram post with 4 photos:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvEKjO-n9hg/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14p0om4wqz650
Arriving soon ... the new re-imagined BA Club World Seat
Mar 17, 2019, 11:38 am
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The rendering looks every bit stunning even though many here have outlined the possible flaws that may arise with the seat.
One thing tho, I can't see this being fitted onto 4 class planes without BA stepping up the F hard product as we may otherwise run into a bit of ambiguity as to which cabin is which...
One thing tho, I can't see this being fitted onto 4 class planes without BA stepping up the F hard product as we may otherwise run into a bit of ambiguity as to which cabin is which...
Mar 17, 2019, 11:39 am
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There are two ways of designing such seats. AFAIK you can either have a lapbelt with an airbag in it OR you can have two seatbelts, with the 2nd belt being an 'over the shoulder' one used only for take-off and landing. Up to the airline. Not sure why an airline would have both.
Mar 17, 2019, 11:42 am
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There are two ways of designing such seats. AFAIK you can either have a lapbelt with an airbag in it OR you can have two seatbelts, with the 2nd belt being an 'over the shoulder' one used only for take-off and landing. Up to the airline. Not sure why an airline would have both.
Mar 17, 2019, 11:52 am
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The rendering looks every bit stunning even though many here have outlined the possible flaws that may arise with the seat.
One thing tho, I can't see this being fitted onto 4 class planes without BA stepping up the F hard product as we may otherwise run into a bit of ambiguity as to which cabin is which...
One thing tho, I can't see this being fitted onto 4 class planes without BA stepping up the F hard product as we may otherwise run into a bit of ambiguity as to which cabin is which...
Looking forward to seeing it all tomorrow and hopefully hear about the first 2-3 routes our other great insider CIHY is telling us about!!
Mar 17, 2019, 11:54 am
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There are two ways of designing such seats. AFAIK you can either have a lapbelt with an airbag in it OR you can have two seatbelts, with the 2nd belt being an 'over the shoulder' one used only for take-off and landing. Up to the airline. Not sure why an airline would have both.
Mar 17, 2019, 11:59 am
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I never realised, or was told, that the AA belts contained an airbag!
Happily I never actually needed to discover what it was!
Happily I never actually needed to discover what it was!
Mar 17, 2019, 12:30 pm
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I was very tempted to give you a big clue on my last post but I was finding it difficult not to reveal anything.
Mar 17, 2019, 12:45 pm
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But we need more details...lol
Mar 17, 2019, 12:46 pm
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Mar 17, 2019, 12:53 pm
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Not interested in the slightest.
1) CW is fine for what it is, comfortable enough for sleeping - if you don’t like stepping over people choose an aisle or pay for F.
2) how many years is it going to take for this to truly be rolled out? Too many.
3) will it really be better than competition or just meeting it? I suspect the latter.
1) CW is fine for what it is, comfortable enough for sleeping - if you don’t like stepping over people choose an aisle or pay for F.
2) how many years is it going to take for this to truly be rolled out? Too many.
3) will it really be better than competition or just meeting it? I suspect the latter.
haters will hate though!
Mar 17, 2019, 12:58 pm
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Ultimately, the market will decide the going rate for a flat bed on a given route, not British Airways.
Mar 17, 2019, 1:09 pm
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OK, I am going to spread some rumours, using A35K seat map found in CX, to come up a possible seat map for BA A35K. Sorry for my PS skills. I did in a hurry and make sure the quality is so bad that nobody would actual believe in that.
[Seatmap copy right is SeatGuru]
[Seatmap copy right is SeatGuru]
Mar 17, 2019, 1:14 pm
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Do we know know many J seats are going in the A350
as yet, think I read 56 but can now not find it referenced anywhere
Mar 17, 2019, 1:17 pm
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Market economics are obviously heavily driven by supply and demand, if these seats are employed on the likes of AUS, SAN, CPT, replacing mid-j 747s, then they’d need 66 J seats to keep the same premium supply (counting J and F)
Do we know know many J seats are going in the A350
as yet, think I read 56 but can now not find it referenced anywhere
Mar 17, 2019, 1:19 pm
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Here are my two cents on this.
BA apparently (Alex Cruz said this) started developing their own seat. I can only imagine how complex that would be with all sorts of certifications (esp. when thinking about doors or just having people sit at a different angle than on other reverse herringbone seats with airbags and crash tests).
Looking at https://www.pushthink.com/galleries/...0-2b2b7e1654c6 they didn't reuse the existing Super Diamond or regular Diamond seats for the Waterfront concept. The Waterfront seat seems something different and would come with all these issues.
I remember reading a comment that when Alex Cruz took over BA they pivoted from developing their own seat to upgrading an existing product to create something new. At the time some manufacturers could not deliver enough seats - more risk and another reason to use something proven.
I could not find any indication that the Waterfront seat was shown at AIX 2017 or 2018. It was first shown 2016 but why not later? Even though today it would be a great seat. Maybe B/E Aerospace and Rockwell Collins used some of the design cues for the actual seat. The small table with the water bottle holder, the different IFE controller, ...
My guess is a Super Diamond with door, 4K display and potentially a new IFE controller.
BA apparently (Alex Cruz said this) started developing their own seat. I can only imagine how complex that would be with all sorts of certifications (esp. when thinking about doors or just having people sit at a different angle than on other reverse herringbone seats with airbags and crash tests).
Looking at https://www.pushthink.com/galleries/...0-2b2b7e1654c6 they didn't reuse the existing Super Diamond or regular Diamond seats for the Waterfront concept. The Waterfront seat seems something different and would come with all these issues.
I remember reading a comment that when Alex Cruz took over BA they pivoted from developing their own seat to upgrading an existing product to create something new. At the time some manufacturers could not deliver enough seats - more risk and another reason to use something proven.
I could not find any indication that the Waterfront seat was shown at AIX 2017 or 2018. It was first shown 2016 but why not later? Even though today it would be a great seat. Maybe B/E Aerospace and Rockwell Collins used some of the design cues for the actual seat. The small table with the water bottle holder, the different IFE controller, ...
My guess is a Super Diamond with door, 4K display and potentially a new IFE controller.