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citiflyerUK Oct 31, 2018 8:37 am

Stobart Air to operate for BA Cityflyer
 
Stobart Air are to lease two E190s to operate for BA Cityflyer from LCY.

Stobart Air to Operate Routes From London City Under BA CityFlyer Brand

I wonder if these are in addition to the 4 E190s BA announced were joining the fleet or part of the four?

bhbloke Oct 31, 2018 8:46 am

A new LCY route to Carlisle in the pipeline when it finally opens to commercial traffic? :cool:

FlyerTalker39574 Oct 31, 2018 8:52 am

I’m guessing weekend flights from SEN may materialise.

babats Oct 31, 2018 9:01 am


Originally Posted by bhbloke (Post 30376934)
A new LCY route to Carlisle in the pipeline when it finally opens to commercial traffic? :cool:

Having looked at the Stobart AIr website I realise it's not related to Eddie!

bhbloke Oct 31, 2018 9:08 am


Originally Posted by babats (Post 30376992)
Having looked at the Stobart AIr website I realise it's not related to Eddie!

It is part of the Stobart Group, formerly Eddie now William?

Tobias-UK Oct 31, 2018 9:09 am


Originally Posted by babats (Post 30376992)
Having looked at the Stobart AIr website I realise it's not related to Eddie!

I think it is related, I'm pretty sure it is part of the Stobart Group which itself was founded by dear old Eddie.

andymcdonnell Oct 31, 2018 9:12 am

Stobart have been operating the EI Regional flights for a number of years so no surprise to see this really

mattyw Oct 31, 2018 9:34 am

Will they operate a specific set of routes or just be added to the overall pool of aircraft?

Scotflyer80 Oct 31, 2018 9:43 am


Originally Posted by citiflyerUK (Post 30376902)
Stobart Air are to lease two E190s to operate for BA Cityflyer from LCY.

Stobart Air to Operate Routes From London City Under BA CityFlyer Brand

I wonder if these are in addition to the 4 E190s BA announced were joining the fleet or part of the four?

The link doesn’t work. Have looked on the website that the article is from and can’t see any mention of it.

Crofton138 Oct 31, 2018 9:49 am

Stobart Air are currently operating some Flybe routes but this is coming to an end on 31st March 2019

T8191 Oct 31, 2018 10:00 am

Was pleased with Stobart ATR legroom the one occasion we used it. Much better than CE, frankly!

Hope the 190 is as good.

Scotflyer80 Oct 31, 2018 10:12 am

The E-Jets operated by Stobart are fitted with 118 seats. I am guessing that the two aircraft that will be operating for BACF will have there cabins reconfigured to the same 98 seat configuration as BACF’s E90’s

simons1 Oct 31, 2018 10:16 am


Worcester Oct 31, 2018 10:30 am

Do the Stobart Air aircraft have names on them like the trucks?

Scotflyer80 Oct 31, 2018 10:44 am


Originally Posted by simons1 (Post 30377373)

Are the two aircraft being leased are two of the four aircraft that BACF previously announced they would be adding in 2019?.

The article states that the 2 aircraft are being leased for a three year period and that Stobart will be supplying the crew to operate the service. I am guessing that the aircraft will be operated by a team of crew from Stobart’s SEN base.





EJetter Oct 31, 2018 11:01 am

98 seats, fixed Club cabin of 6. First one running from 16 November until the end of June 2019, and the second one added from end of January to the end of summer. Aircraft will nightstop in LCY and DUB. These aircraft are to add capacity required for the new Rome and Munich routes plus additional Zurich rotation, before the four additional frames arrive next year.

BobServant Oct 31, 2018 11:13 am


Originally Posted by Worcester (Post 30377415)
Do the Stobart Air aircraft have names on them like the trucks?

The ones in Aer Lingus livery have saint’s names in line with the mainline fleet. They are in Irish on one side of the nose and English on the other.

Scotflyer80 Oct 31, 2018 11:16 am


Originally Posted by zappomatic (Post 30377542)
98 seats, fixed Club cabin of 6. First one running from 16 November until the end of June 2019, and the second one added from end of January to the end of summer. Aircraft will nightstop in LCY and DUB. These aircraft are to add capacity required for the new Rome and Munich routes plus additional Zurich rotation, before the four additional frames arrive next year.

Nice to hear they are being refitted with 98 seats. Interesting what you say about how long the aircraft are operating for. Especially as I have read articles from more that one source quoting a BACF spokesperson saying that it is a 3 year lease agreement.

BrianDromey Oct 31, 2018 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by Scotflyer80 (Post 30377591)
Nice to hear they are being refitted with 98 seats. Interesting what you say about how long the aircraft are operating for. Especially as I have read articles from more that one source quoting a BACF spokesperson saying that it is a 3 year lease agreement.

they won't be the 195s currently in the fleet, as these cant operate to LCY. Sources elsewhere say they are coming from Virgin Australia, who do have a fixed 6 seat business class cabin and 92 economy seats. Is 6 club seats a bit on the small side?

UKtravelbear Oct 31, 2018 4:17 pm

Are there actually any BA planes operating BA flights these days?

there are so many of these leased planes from numerous other airlines it’s a lottery if you get a BA service!

Scotflyer80 Oct 31, 2018 5:22 pm


Originally Posted by UKtravelbear (Post 30378720)
Are there actually any BA planes operating BA flights these days?

there are so many of these leased planes from numerous other airlines it’s a lottery if you get a BA service!

I would say there are quite a few. Especially as there are only 2 leased aircraft now operating flights for BA. One is the A343 Leased from Air Belgium which is operating from LHR and the other is a S2000 Leased from Loganair to operate the LCY-IOM Route.

simons1 Oct 31, 2018 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by Scotflyer80 (Post 30378900)

I would say there are quite a few. Especially as there are only 2 leased aircraft now operating flights for BA. One is the A343 Leased from Air Belgium which is operating from LHR and the other is a S2000 Leased from Loganair to operate the LCY-IOM Route.



I think the post was a bit tongue in cheek but in October Jota, Titan, Air Belgium and Eastern all did charter work for BA.

mfhpfl Oct 31, 2018 10:13 pm

Will be 1-2 in club - smalll cabin of 6 seats...nice!

Scotflyer80 Nov 3, 2018 3:36 am

First E90 will be registered EI-GHJ. The aircraft will begin operating for BACF on 16th November, which is two days earlier than previously announced. During the first week of operation the aircraft is due to operate

MON - BA7301/BA7302/BA4455/BA4456/BA7305/BA7306 (LCY-LIN-LCY-RTM-LCY-LIN-LCY)
TUE - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY)
WED - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY)
THU - BA8761/BA8762/BA8453/BA8454/BA8738/BA8737 (LCY-FRA-LCY-AMS-LCY-FRA-LCY)
FRI - BA7301/BA7302/BA4455/BA4456/BA7305/BA7306 (LCY-LIN-LCY-RTM-LCY-LIN-LCY)
SAT - BA8491/BA8492/BA4464 (LCY-TXL-LCY-DUB)
SUN - BA4467/BA7305/BA7306 (DUB-LCY-LIN-LCY)

The 2nd aircraft is showing as operating from 31st January. The 2nd aircraft will operate mostly to GVA and FCO. The S19 schedule has yet to be updated to show which flights Stobart aircraft will be operating

hammers2958 Nov 16, 2018 9:38 am

LCY/NCE being operated by Stobart Air
 
I received emails this afternoon concerning several flights I have booked next summer to Nice. BA have written this:


We're writing to let you know that there has been a change to the airline that will operate your flight to London City Airport.


We’ve had to make some adjustments to our schedule and have leased an aircraft from Stobart Air. They will operate the flight on our behalf so you can fly to your destination as planned. We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause.


Does anyone have any more information about this; or know how the Stobart planes compare with BA Cityflyer?

Thanks

Akoz Nov 16, 2018 10:29 am


Originally Posted by Tobias-UK (Post 30377025)
I think it is related, I'm pretty sure it is part of the Stobart Group which itself was founded by dear old Eddie.

The Stobart Group came about in 2007 when the haulage business was bought by a property fund. The combined company was renamed the Stobart Group. The group began to focus of infrastructure and support services, plus the airline and haulage firm was off loaded in 2014, although the group goes still hold share in it.

andrewdrinks Nov 16, 2018 11:12 am

Received a notification overnight that my LHR-LUX flight in February will now be operated by Stobart - didn't see any reference to LUX flights being operated by the Stobart fleet previously.

corporate-wage-slave Nov 16, 2018 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by andrewdrinks (Post 30436643)
Received a notification overnight that my LHR-LUX flight in February will now be operated by Stobart - didn't see any reference to LUX flights being operated by the Stobart fleet previously.

That's a new one on me too. I wonder if this is the "new" E195s that Stobart announced it was getting last year. LUX is T3 so there is relatively easy scope for using the Gate 24 bus area for E195s or indeed ATRs (hopefully not!).

cornishsimon Nov 16, 2018 2:52 pm

Just to be picky here. The E195 can’t and I suspect never will be able to operate into LCY.

Same applies to the E175.

BA operate the E170&E190 which is able to operate into LCY

STK will operate 2xE190 for BA

not to be confused with the 3xE195 that STK also have, which currently operate ex SEN as part of the flybe franchise but will soon be looking for a new home, potentially UK regional flying into DUB on behalf of aer Lingus regional.


cs

Russell Corr Nov 20, 2018 9:27 pm

I received the same email for a flight to Nice in July. When I called BA to confirm they had no record of it and said it was still as normal.

jamesreid978 Nov 21, 2018 12:48 am

I have had an email notification saying my flight to Ibiza next summer from LCY will be operated by Stobart Air and that they are allowing me to change onto any other London service to Ibiza within 3 days. My MMB still indicates the flight is operated by BA Cityflyer on an Embraer E190SR. I guess I will wait and see what happens, either way - I don't want to be rebooked as the current flight time is perfect for me. Just checked a new booking and there is no indication that Stobart Air will operate the flight, so the email could have been sent in error.

cornishsimon Nov 21, 2018 2:14 am

We have to assume that these E90s will be configured the same as the BA ones and the service would be the same.

If thats the case I agree wth you why change ?

regardless as your flight isn’t until next year there’s plenty of time to see what the aircraft & service actually look like prior to making a decision.


cs

Globaliser Nov 21, 2018 2:23 am


Originally Posted by cornishsimon (Post 30452017)
We have to assume that these E90s will be configured the same as the BA ones ...

That's not what I'm seeing on a future RE-operated flight: CE has A | CD in rows 1 and 2, and rows 3 to 25 inclusive are ET in AB | CD. As far as I can see, that matches the configuration used by VA, which is where it has been said that these aircraft have come from.

cornishsimon Nov 21, 2018 2:34 am

So if anything they would be better in CE when compared to company E90s if not reconfigured.


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cs

citiflyerUK Nov 21, 2018 3:07 am

If they keep the Virgin configuration it'll be an improvement over BA. https://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-revi...business-class

Scotflyer80 Nov 21, 2018 9:27 am


Originally Posted by andrewdrinks (Post 30436643)
Received a notification overnight that my LHR-LUX flight in February will now be operated by Stobart - didn't see any reference to LUX flights being operated by the Stobart fleet previously.

All flights to LUX in Feb are still showing as being operated by a BA A320. What date are you flying?.

Does anyone know whether the aircraft will have the the same AB/CD seat lettering that is used by BACF on there aircraft or if it will retain its A/DF (CE) and AC/DF (ET) as used by VA?

Scotflyer80 Nov 21, 2018 9:38 am

Duplicate

corporate-wage-slave Nov 21, 2018 9:41 am


Originally Posted by Scotflyer80 (Post 30453081)
It is unclear whether the aircraft will have the the same AB/CD seat lettering that is used by BACF on there aircraft or if it will retain its A/DF (CE) and AC/DF (ET) as used by VA

In MMB, this shows up in CE as A (single) C+D (pair). In EuroTraveller I think it's A+B [aisle] C+D but I don't have an ET booking so I'm less certain there.

FlyerTalker39574 Nov 21, 2018 11:38 am


Originally Posted by citiflyerUK (Post 30452105)
If they keep the Virgin configuration it'll be an improvement over BA. https://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-revi...business-class

That J seat looks far too comfortable, BA are in danger of passengers enjoying something too much and expectations being met.

Globaliser Nov 21, 2018 12:14 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 30453128)
In EuroTraveller I think it's A+B [aisle] C+D but I don't have an ET booking so I'm less certain there.

Yes, this is correct.


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