Very hard landing
We had a very nice flight today to faro but had a query. There was a very hard landing with a long pause between rear and front wheels hitting tarmac and the aircraft did not slow for a considerable time and then jolted to a stop. Is this standard for the arrival airfield or could something have been amiss? We were a little jet lagged from our arrival yesterday from the US but it felt unusual to a landing we’d experienced. I thought for a moment or two we were not going to stop and had a problem. Excellent crew and food on board although the product itself remains poor. |
Dam auto land.
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Possibly cross wind issues...putting the nose down is not an auto pilot part, is it? |
Originally Posted by londonclubguy
(Post 30058542)
We had a very nice flight today to faro but had a query. There was a very hard landing with a long pause between rear and front wheels hitting tarmac and the aircraft did not slow for a considerable time and then jolted to a stop. Is this standard for the arrival airfield or could something have been amiss? We were a little jet lagged from our arrival yesterday from the US but it felt unusual to a landing we’d experienced. I thought for a moment or two we were not going to stop and had a problem. Excellent crew and food on board although the product itself remains poor. From 4:35 and also at end of ;) |
Thought you’d gone Gold to Blue ! |
It happens. Even a friend of mine (BA Cabin Crew) actually thought his flight had crashed after a hard landing (A320 at EDI). He told me strong winds caused the pilot to force it down !! |
Originally Posted by mikeyfly
(Post 30058649)
Thought you’d gone Gold to Blue ! |
If it was a wet tarmac then that would explain the slamming down of the wheels. Prevents the chance of skidding as the water is expelled from between the tyres and the tarmac more efficiently - according to a pilot mate of mine.
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Originally Posted by PAL62V
(Post 30058873)
If it was a wet tarmac then that would explain the slamming down of the wheels. Prevents the chance of skidding as the water is expelled from between the tyres and the tarmac more efficiently - according to a pilot mate of mine.
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Originally Posted by mikeyfly
(Post 30058649)
Thought you’d gone Gold to Blue ! |
If he jolted to a stop, then that wasn't the auto-brakes. Auto-brakes deploy in a constant way all the way down to about 80 knots. Possibly, the pilot taking over from the AB's is what caused the jolt because in order to disengage the AB's (normally) you have to apply more pressure to the brakes than the AB's are in order to kick them off.
Having a gap between when the mains and the nose gear touch down doesn't necessarily mean anything...it's a common technique to 'aerobrake' where you use some of the drag caused by the wings still producing some lift to help slow the plane down. That is more of a technique, I've flown with a few pilots who do it all the time...if the runway is long enough. |
Cross-wind. Pilot lays down the rear cautiously (keep in mind in cross-wind laying down the rear may not be simultaneous vs. one side first and the other side follows shortly afterwards) and verifies contact + even before pushing down the front. However, this takes more time vs. normal landing so after success touchdown of the nose - must heavy break as runways aren't infinite.
What you described indicates your pilot did an excellent job vs. abort landing and go around again. |
Loved the story of the US flight attendant on having a difficult landing at XXX - "Welcome to XXX, Captain Kangaroo will now bounce us to the terminal"!!
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Originally Posted by David_Doyle
(Post 30058647)
Probably an ex-RAF flyboy/girl that forgot they had passengers on board. Those Typhoons can keep the front wheels up quite a while when landing.
In the case of standing water or a crosswind a "firm" arrival is actually beneficial as it ensures the tyres spin up in the shortest possible time preventing aquaplaning or side skidding, it also reduces tyre wear. Contrary to expectations, 'greasing it on' significantly increases tyre wear as you drag the tyres for quite a long way (leaving impressive rubber marks) until they get enough friction to spin up. |
Originally Posted by morges1
(Post 30059706)
Loved the story of the US flight attendant on having a difficult landing at XXX - "Welcome to XXX, Captain Kangaroo will now bounce us to the terminal"!!
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