passport left on plane
Jun 28, 2017, 3:21 pm
#76
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I'd like to hear the reasoning explaining why a passport is 'compromised' because it was briefly unsupervised on board an airplane and/or 'strangers' have touched it. If an 'evildoer' wants to take a UK passport and replace it with a replica or manipulate it in some way, there's many other options that would require a lot less coordination and inside help.
With regard to taking carry-on bags (of whatever type) during evacuations, the people who do it and also post on here know it's wrong. They are unlikely to be swayed by advice or a 'talking to'. We can only hope that neither we nor one of our loved ones will ever be placed in danger, injured or worse due to their selfish prioritization of their belongings over lives.
With regard to taking carry-on bags (of whatever type) during evacuations, the people who do it and also post on here know it's wrong. They are unlikely to be swayed by advice or a 'talking to'. We can only hope that neither we nor one of our loved ones will ever be placed in danger, injured or worse due to their selfish prioritization of their belongings over lives.
Jun 28, 2017, 3:24 pm
#77
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Immigration authorities could contribute positively towards aviation safety by treating those who arrive without passports due to emergency better. The aggressive attitude of UK, US and other immigration officials towards people without the right documents (especially those not from the country) encourages people to prioritise documents over evacuation. Others, too, can help: hotels have been known to deny checkin to people without a credit card - even if the credit card is in the burning aircraft, as in the BA engine fire at LAS. Knowing that sort of attitude, how many would run without their wallet?
I'm not leaving the aircraft without my passport; the risks and consequences of being deported are nontrivial. But it goes in my pocket, so I don't need to take a bag with me to do that. (It's not a UK passport, which is sure to make the Border Farce more aggressive).
Safety is about trying to make people do the right thing of their own accord. Feeling "I can drop everything and run, and it'll be fine later" helps them do the right thing. That is not a feeling authorities give passengers today.
I'm not leaving the aircraft without my passport; the risks and consequences of being deported are nontrivial. But it goes in my pocket, so I don't need to take a bag with me to do that. (It's not a UK passport, which is sure to make the Border Farce more aggressive).
Safety is about trying to make people do the right thing of their own accord. Feeling "I can drop everything and run, and it'll be fine later" helps them do the right thing. That is not a feeling authorities give passengers today.
Jun 28, 2017, 3:24 pm
#78
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A laptop bag is hand luggage. Trying to jump down an emergency escape slide carrying a laptop bag will clearly be more difficult than carrying nothing. If you take an extra 5 seconds on the slide, that could mean two or three people do not get out of the plane in time. Is your laptop bag worth that?
If it's bad enough that the captain's ordering to blow the slides, I'm getting my arse out of the aircraft. Passport, wallet (credit cards/cash), and phone are my #1 concern at that point, which I keep on my person until we reach FL100. Then it gets slipped into the outer pouch of my under-seat bag, still easily accessible if I need it.
Everything else can be replaced, even if it takes awhile, specialist appointments, and dealing with healthcare insurance hell, it can be replaced.
There might be an exception here or there, where I might be able to grab what I need out of my bag before jumping, but again, I highly doubt a captain's going to call for a slide evac unless absolutely necessary. I've spoken with many pilots over the years and they're reluctant to deploy the slides due to the injuries which *will* happen when people evacuate in that manner.
Jun 28, 2017, 3:39 pm
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Jun 28, 2017, 4:15 pm
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I do live in France but haven't got an identity card because I've had quite a few conflicting opinions on whether France allow you to keep the UK passport (which funnily enough, I now don't have! lol)
Quick update after another phone call with someone from Border Force who actually wanted to take the time to explain everything and not just put the phone down on me...apparently BA did get the passport off the plane because BF had it in their possession on Monday evening. Why BA lied to me is a question I will be putting to the Exec Club shortly.
Border force, as pointed out earlier, classed it as 'compromised' and immediately cut the corners off and sent it to Perterborough. The phone call from Border Force the following morning was also full of garbage as they told me they hadn't received it. They did tell me I needed to order a replacement but NOT that they had received it, cut it up and sent it away. Strange behaviour if you ask me!
Four flight cancellations, one holiday to Dubai (next week) up the swanny and probably 15 days in the NCE airport carpark. Oh and £103 for a new passport.
Quite a cost for such a small burgundy book. When I get the new one it is going in a Kevlar case and will be tied round my neck with mooring rope.
Thanks for the replies all, if nothing else it stopped me going round the bend.
Quick update after another phone call with someone from Border Force who actually wanted to take the time to explain everything and not just put the phone down on me...apparently BA did get the passport off the plane because BF had it in their possession on Monday evening. Why BA lied to me is a question I will be putting to the Exec Club shortly.
Border force, as pointed out earlier, classed it as 'compromised' and immediately cut the corners off and sent it to Perterborough. The phone call from Border Force the following morning was also full of garbage as they told me they hadn't received it. They did tell me I needed to order a replacement but NOT that they had received it, cut it up and sent it away. Strange behaviour if you ask me!
Four flight cancellations, one holiday to Dubai (next week) up the swanny and probably 15 days in the NCE airport carpark. Oh and £103 for a new passport.
Quite a cost for such a small burgundy book. When I get the new one it is going in a Kevlar case and will be tied round my neck with mooring rope.
Thanks for the replies all, if nothing else it stopped me going round the bend.
Fortunately it was still there in the travel wallet and untouched on the check in desk. The cab driver waited for me and noted that I was looking a bit more relaxed on the journey back to the ferry terminal. Sorry to hear about your holiday and I hope you're insurance gets you something back at the very least.
Jun 29, 2017, 4:16 am
#82
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I'd like to hear the reasoning explaining why a passport is 'compromised' because it was briefly unsupervised on board an airplane and/or 'strangers' have touched it. If an 'evildoer' wants to take a UK passport and replace it with a replica or manipulate it in some way, there's many other options that would require a lot less coordination and inside help.
With regard to taking carry-on bags (of whatever type) during evacuations, the people who do it and also post on here know it's wrong. They are unlikely to be swayed by advice or a 'talking to'. We can only hope that neither we nor one of our loved ones will ever be placed in danger, injured or worse due to their selfish prioritization of their belongings over lives.
With regard to taking carry-on bags (of whatever type) during evacuations, the people who do it and also post on here know it's wrong. They are unlikely to be swayed by advice or a 'talking to'. We can only hope that neither we nor one of our loved ones will ever be placed in danger, injured or worse due to their selfish prioritization of their belongings over lives.
There were 8 passports in Heathrows lost property on the 27th June (not all UK admittedly), I wonder why they are not compromised?!
Jun 29, 2017, 4:39 am
#83
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You should have done the 128 GBP 1 day service and then pleaded your case. Now there is probably no chance you will get it the same day as you 'only' paid the 108 GBP 7 day service.
Jun 29, 2017, 6:35 am
#84
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I have the utmost sympathy with the OP. I left an iPad in the seat packet of a KL plane a couple of years ago. It was the last flight of the day, I realised as soon as I left the airport and when checking the following morning the cleaners claimed it was not there. What a lot of hassle trying to deal with KL, the airport and the cleaning contractor (not to mention the grief from Mrs TigerTanaka who had bought it for me as a present).
I ended up claiming for this as a stolen item on the company's insurance policy (it was a work trip) and unbelievably they paid in full. Even better was the fact that iPad's had fallen in price (I had the original receipts) so I was able to get a higher memory version to replace the lost one.
Since then I have never put anything in the seat pocket of a plane.
I ended up claiming for this as a stolen item on the company's insurance policy (it was a work trip) and unbelievably they paid in full. Even better was the fact that iPad's had fallen in price (I had the original receipts) so I was able to get a higher memory version to replace the lost one.
Since then I have never put anything in the seat pocket of a plane.
Jun 29, 2017, 6:48 am
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Jun 29, 2017, 6:51 am
#86
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[QUOTE=Ber2dca;28497453]I'd like to hear the reasoning explaining why a passport is 'compromised' because it was briefly unsupervised on board an airplane and/or 'strangers' have touched it. If an 'evildoer' wants to take a UK passport and replace it with a replica or manipulate it in some way, there's many other options that would require a lot less coordination and inside help.
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As someone who held a senior immigration position in a past life, I can tell you that whoever told the OP the passport was compromised was talking nonsense.
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As someone who held a senior immigration position in a past life, I can tell you that whoever told the OP the passport was compromised was talking nonsense.
Jun 29, 2017, 7:26 am
#87
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I did the 7 day service earlier this year - appointment on the Friday, and the new one was dispatched the following Tuesday, arriving (IIRC) a day after that.
Jun 29, 2017, 8:08 am
#88
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Happened to me a few years back after a YYZ-BDL (Connecticut) flight, the passport was left in the seat of a Beechcraft 1900D. One of the pilots was very kind and accompanied me back to the aircraft, opened it, and let me get it. It was all very casual and easy, unlike your experience.