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jeremyBA May 5, 2015 9:57 am

Why do pilots "fib"
 
Sitting in the tarmac in Mallorca on BA 7051 ( Iberia code share ).

Pitot comes on. Flight delayed due to bad weather in London.

Hit the web look at the metar for Heathrow. 10 k viz, 3000 ft cloud base. Nothing wrong with it.

Wondered why they don't just tell the truth !

NewForester May 5, 2015 10:01 am

Perhaps you should have also checked the wind speed?

ACARS May 5, 2015 10:01 am

The weather they refer to is the wind causing flow restrictions.

Found this on the euro control website.


EGLL (London Heathrow) arrivals
regulated due to weather (strong winds).
Delays are high.


EDDH (Hamburg) arrivals
regulated due to weather (TS).
Moderate delays.

EHAM (Amsterdam) arrivals
via entry cross border regulated due to weather (CB).
Moderate delays.

LTFJ (Istanbul/S. Gokcen) arrivals
regulated due to aerodrome capacity.
Moderate to high delays.

LTBA (Istanbul/K. Ataturk) arrivals
regulated due to aerodrome capacity.
Low to moderate delays.
So the truth has been told.

JumboJim May 5, 2015 10:03 am

Wind is from the southwest gusting 37kts.
So obviously there are some traffic flow controls in place.
Looks a little lively tomorrow too.

stu1985 May 5, 2015 10:09 am

Some fib, eh?

Flier74 May 5, 2015 10:10 am


Originally Posted by jeremyBA (Post 24768876)
Sitting in the tarmac in Mallorca on BA 7051 ( Iberia code share ).

Pitot comes on. Flight delayed due to bad weather in London.

Hit the web look at the metar for Heathrow. 10 k viz, 3000 ft cloud base. Nothing wrong with it.

Wondered why they don't just tell the truth !

Well I am afraid, they did not fib and due all your respect, before you quote weather forecasts, from wherever you get them from, you may want to check the facts.
Strong gusts are affecting the south East restricting take off and landings at LHR and LGW, causing major delays and a severe weather warning has been issued for the rest of the evening.

If I was given a quid every time I was told "I phoned my friend in xxx and the weather is fine, so why are you lying to me?" I would not have to work anymore
:)

Can I help you May 5, 2015 10:10 am

Some checking facts, eh?

Forever in Seattle May 5, 2015 10:13 am


Originally Posted by NewForester (Post 24768894)
Perhaps you should have also checked the wind speed?

Indeed, it has been a tad breezy in the SE today.

Kgmm77 May 5, 2015 10:15 am

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3G: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 8_3 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/600.1.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0 Mobile/12F70 Safari/600.1.4)

This has been bothering me for a while. Have relatively benign winds from the prevailing direction always caused significant delays at LHR or is it a recent phenomena? In 15 years plus of regular travel, weather delays in fairly normal conditions seem to have increased hugely/

Someone previous mentioned time vs distance based separation as being a potential solution?

LondonElite May 5, 2015 10:17 am

Let me tell you, it's pretty gusty here in sunny Surrey. I estimate we've had SW winds in excess of 30 mph all afternoon. The Japanese cherry blossom trees have lost almost all of their pretty white petals. :(

Flythe96flag May 5, 2015 10:18 am

Terrible gusts even in BRU, some delays here as well.

KARFA May 5, 2015 10:19 am

You obvisouly don't know how to read METAR.


EGLL 051550Z 22026G37KT 9999 SCT042 15/04 Q1000
I have highlighted the pertinent part for you, winds from 220 degrees at 26kts, gusting to 37kts. High winds reduce the arrivals rates causing delays. The winds have been like this all day and flights have been delayed.

HIDDY May 5, 2015 10:22 am

Oh dear...another example of why FT gets a bad name amongst BA staff.

Flier74 May 5, 2015 10:25 am


Originally Posted by HIDDY (Post 24769016)
Oh dear...another example of why FT gets a bad name amongst BA staff.

Nah, not at all.
it just makes me laugh actually how some people think they know it all and think we or indeed any airline enjoys delays and making up the most ridiculous reasons to annoy them.

trust me ,at the end if the day, we all want to get home or to the hotel just as bad as Passengers do and NO, we do not enjoy delays, far from it, but still put a smile on our faces and try our best, well most of us anyway :p

BApilotinsider May 5, 2015 10:26 am


Originally Posted by HIDDY (Post 24769016)
Oh dear...another example of why FT gets a bad name amongst BA staff.

I'm sure the OP will be along shortly to apologise for the thread title..:rolleyes:


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