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Roger Sep 17, 2010 7:27 pm


Originally Posted by Roger (Post 14647666)
LHR-JFK
WT -> WTP £115

This is £60 fare difference and £55 'Tax/Fee/Charge'

JFK-LHR
WT -> WTP also £115

described as £105 fare difference and £10 extra tax.

I didn't know that there was any difference in tax for different classes ex USA.

drwoodsy Sep 17, 2010 8:54 pm

16th Sept YVR - LHR. WT > CW = $900 Can.

danielnufc Sep 20, 2010 1:23 pm

Travelling friday LHR-LAS on hotline tickets, any ideas on my chances of an upgrade and dont mind paying. We are in WT and would be after WT+ although i know there are only three seats left to sell at the mo. Cant upgrade via website and am travelling from NCL connecting at LHR. Is it worth asking at NCL or would that not work?

alasdair_m Sep 20, 2010 1:34 pm


Originally Posted by sunrisegirl (Post 14511178)
Airport upgrades earn full tier points, but you have to write in to claim them as they don't post automatically.

I got my TP's added to my account without having to contact BAEC after paying for an airport upgrade.

Genius1 Sep 20, 2010 3:43 pm

SYD-LHR on the BA10 was AUD$2000 to upgrade from Club World to First. That price was given at the airport, upon enquiring. Needless to say that I declined :eek:

BA or bust Sep 21, 2010 10:01 am


Originally Posted by YClass (Post 14509421)
Several months back had ~£70 HEL-LHR which I used.... was on codeshare too I think


Originally Posted by henners (Post 14509793)
LHR-HEL and HEL-LHR both GBP 150 about two weeks out (outbound wide open, return J5 C5 D3 R1 I1 Y5 B4 H1 K0 M0 L0 V0 N0 Q0 O0 S0 G0).

LHR-ARN and ARN-LHR both GBP 125 about four weeks out (both wide open).

Can you (or other helpful souls) please confirm that one can upgrade on codeshares? I can understand BA's systems being able to cope with BA's own flights - but I am scpetical that BA can do it for all its codeshare partners. As it happens HEL is one of the routes I might do this on, but there there are others e.g. Malev.

BTW - since I mostly have TA booked tickets I can only do this at OLCI time. Hence the concern about BA's IT talking to, say, Finnair's IT at short notice and getting the transaction right!

BA or bust Sep 23, 2010 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by BA or bust (Post 14735387)
Can you (or other helpful souls) please confirm that one can upgrade on codeshares? I can understand BA's systems being able to cope with BA's own flights - but I am scpetical that BA can do it for all its codeshare partners. As it happens HEL is one of the routes I might do this on, but there there are others e.g. Malev.

BTW - since I mostly have TA booked tickets I can only do this at OLCI time. Hence the concern about BA's IT talking to, say, Finnair's IT at short notice and getting the transaction right!

Anyone know the answer or have experience of this?

Kernow Sep 24, 2010 7:39 am


Originally Posted by britbronco22 (Post 14650164)
Upgrading a TA booking at BA.com before OLCI is not possible.
I haven't been offered an upgrade option at OLCI with a TA booking either so far, I wonder if anyone else has had any offers?
Next time I'm planning to ask at the airport which in theory may be possible.
It could be due to the class of ticket booked by the TA though?

Yep, I have been offered an upgrade from J to F on a TA ticket at OLCI.

Can anyone confirm if a flight + hotel package booked on ba.com is classed as a TA ticket?

Regards,

Kernow

BingBongBoy Sep 24, 2010 7:44 am

My SFO flight is now showing £185 Y to W on the outbound as a special offer upgrade... Last week it was £135...

Still offering it to me although according to Reservations, there is no availability...

Habemuspapam Sep 24, 2010 11:16 am

Hello,

Can anyone give me some guidance as to what the usual upgrade price is, (generally speaking,) within 48 hours of a JFK-LHR flight from CW to F. Just looking for a ballpark figure....not going to hold you to it. :) For the JFK-LHR segment only.

Thanks in advance,

Habemus

Swanhunter Sep 24, 2010 3:04 pm

The 'special' J to F price seems a blanket GBP399. however it is offered far less frequently than ET to CE so expect not to see it in MMB.

toothy Sep 25, 2010 12:19 pm

Can I just clarify a couple of things. Planning a work trip to LAS, with no client to charge so Y only :(. However we do have a budget available so can use it to upgrade.

I'll be starting at MAN so do they do upgrades there (don't think I've ever seen them)?

Route is MAN-LHR-DFW-LAS (last segment is on AA and not going direct as is 1K more!). Does that stop the MMB upgrade being available?


Thanks


Toothy

BA or bust Sep 27, 2010 10:32 am

[QUOTE=BA or bust;14767408]
Quote: Originally Posted by BA or bust
Can you (or other helpful souls) please confirm that one can upgrade on codeshares? I can understand BA's systems being able to cope with BA's own flights - but I am scpetical that BA can do it for all its codeshare partners. As it happens HEL is one of the routes I might do this on, but there there are others e.g. Malev.

BTW - since I mostly have TA booked tickets I can only do this at OLCI time. Hence the concern about BA's IT talking to, say, Finnair's IT at short notice and getting the transaction right!

Anyone know the answer or have experience of this? ?[/
QUOTE]

Bumped, really keen to find out if anyone knows the answer to this. :)

Swanhunter Sep 27, 2010 3:14 pm

LHR-DXB £399 J to F. Offered at OLCI for a flight selling F5A4.

typical Sep 27, 2010 3:39 pm

DXB-LHR and LHR-DXB, both AED750 (about 130 quid) from WT->WT+. Only outward was available until a few days ago, but suddenly (after the outbound) the inbound was available too.

Can anyone confirm (or otherwise) that the LGW MMB upgrades can be done on o/w flights?

I'd like to do LGW-JER-LGW and upgrade only the outbound (to make silver and thus avoid losing 40TPs on the above-mentioned LHR-DXB in W!), but for time and cost reasons I'd like to take BA8031 out and BA8032 back - 50 mins turnaround time. BA.com won't allow it, aa.com will only price full Y. Available on expedia but then of course I can't upgrade...

dundalkspur Sep 28, 2010 5:38 am



Originally Posted by BingBongBoy (Post 14774144)
My SFO flight is now showing £185 Y to W on the outbound as a special offer upgrade... Last week it was £135...

Still offering it to me although according to Reservations, there is no availability...


Just be thankfull you were offerred one -we are going next monday morning and we have not been offerred anything!:mad:I had to fork out £100 to get exit seats in row 28 as we are always unlucky with upgrades.

Paralytic Sep 29, 2010 6:04 am

Has anyone ever seen proactive upgrades offered on flights originating in the regions?

I've got an upcoming EDI-LHR-SFO and its looking pretty full:

F7 A3 J3 C0 D0 R0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 Q0 G0 W2 E0 T0 N0 O0

I'm in WT+ and over the past couple of weeks I've been monitoring the W class which went from its original 9 to hit zero, went back up to 4 or 5 (Revenue Management I guess), went back to 1 and now sits at 2. Its obviously impossible to say if WT+ is overbooked but I suspect it might be and that revenue management have opened up some more seats and that there will be some upgrades on board.

However, I'd probably jump at the chance to pay a cash upgrade (no MFU availability) but I've never actually been offered a proactive upgrade before. Most of my flights originate in EDI.

So, has anyone actually seen a pro-active upgrade offer when the flight originates in the regions, and where on MMB does it actually appear? Also, is there such a thing as an typical WT+ -> Club pro-active upgrade price for this route?

AJLondon Sep 29, 2010 6:16 am


Originally Posted by Swanhunter (Post 14811831)
LHR-DXB £399 J to F. Offered at OLCI for a flight selling F5A4.

And did that make you whip out the Amex? ;)

timezonehopper Sep 29, 2010 6:28 am


Originally Posted by Paralytic (Post 14837161)
Has anyone ever seen proactive upgrades offered on flights originating in the regions?

Hi Paralytic, this topic came up a while ago in this thread. The conclusion was that these proactive upgrades aren't available when there is a domestic feeder into LON.

I've taken to booking my LHR-XXX-LHR and MAN-LHR-MAN on separate tickets so I can get the chance of a proactive upgrade.

Paralytic Sep 29, 2010 6:32 am


Originally Posted by timezonehopper (Post 14837383)
Hi Paralytic, this topic came up a while ago in this thread. The conclusion was that these proactive upgrades aren't available when there is a domestic feeder into LON.

I've taken to booking my LHR-XXX-LHR and MAN-LHR-MAN on separate tickets so I can get the chance of a proactive upgrade.

Thanks, looks like i'll just have to ask when i get to the airport, but I suspect I'll get the current normal MMB upgrade price of a measly £5460 :eek:

PrivatetoComercial Sep 29, 2010 7:03 am

Anyone know about the cost from PHX-LHR-TLV?
 
I was able to book my brother and sister inlaw into wt+, but they want $8000 to bump them to CW...I obviously could just buy them cw at that price, so any idea what I can expect here? Travels not till Dec. but any info is appreciated.
Also upgraded FCO to LHR for $137 last month.

snoopstah Sep 29, 2010 3:27 pm

Anyone know why I the option to upgrade my upcoming WT LHR-SFO and LAX-LHR trip would be greyed out? Both upgrade with miles and upgrade with money are not available, and clicking on them reports:

'We regret that it has not been possible to retrieve the full itinerary details required to enable you to change your booking on ba.com. Please contact your local British Airways office.'

Flight was booked directly through ba.com.

clubman Oct 5, 2010 8:44 am

Lhr-lax - £195
 
Travelling with someone to LAX next week, I'm on a revenue ticket and he is on a redemption, both in Y at the moment.

Special upgrade offer just popped up in both our reservations for £195 one way each.

Is the offer likely to get better as we get closer to the flight?

Sorry, very new at this, it's actually my first time in many years flying Y on long Haul (combination of travelling with someone and a relatively last minute booking).

Also, I'm intrigued (though I'm sure it's been answered before) I assume I get W Tier points and miles if I take the upgrade but what about my friend travelling on a redemption? Would the upgrade change his ticket from a redemption fare to a revenue one?

Swanhunter Oct 5, 2010 8:55 am


Originally Posted by AJLondon (Post 14837270)
And did that make you whip out the Amex? ;)

No...which proved wise as I ended up in 3K anyhow!

clubman Oct 5, 2010 9:59 am


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 14890074)
Travelling with someone to LAX next week, I'm on a revenue ticket and he is on a redemption, both in Y at the moment.

Special upgrade offer just popped up in both our reservations for £195 one way each.

The upgrade offer is now gone from my MMB, but still in my travel companion's yet I'm on a revenue ticket and he is on redemption, very odd.

Prospero Oct 5, 2010 12:24 pm


Originally Posted by Paralytic (Post 14837161)
Has anyone ever seen proactive upgrades offered on flights originating in the regions?

I've got an upcoming EDI-LHR-SFO and its looking pretty full:

F7 A3 J3 C0 D0 R0 I0 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 Q0 G0 W2 E0 T0 N0 O0

I'm in WT+ and over the past couple of weeks I've been monitoring the W class which went from its original 9 to hit zero, went back up to 4 or 5 (Revenue Management I guess), went back to 1 and now sits at 2. Its obviously impossible to say if WT+ is overbooked but I suspect it might be and that revenue management have opened up some more seats and that there will be some upgrades on board.

However, I'd probably jump at the chance to pay a cash upgrade (no MFU availability) but I've never actually been offered a proactive upgrade before. Most of my flights originate in EDI.

So, has anyone actually seen a pro-active upgrade offer when the flight originates in the regions, and where on MMB does it actually appear? Also, is there such a thing as an typical WT+ -> Club pro-active upgrade price for this route?

I am hesitant to put forward a black and white answer. In my experience, which relates exclusively to trips ticketed from EDI to short haul European destinations and booked in discounted economy, none of these tickets were eligible for POUG. This, I have been told by BA, is due to the rules that apply to these specific fare combinations, with emphasis on the adjective specific. ;)

I think if any POUG proposition is going to be made available to a ticket containing UK domestic feeders it may be those with a fare combination that work within the existing MFU mechanism. Thus, in theory, a EDI-LHR-SFO booked in T class with domestic sectors booked in J may well be eligible for POUG (subject to availability). Whether MMB has been primed to offer this is a different issue.

Just my musing on the subject. :)

Palmer Oct 5, 2010 12:35 pm

I booked a WT fare on ba.com earlier today. I was hoping to upgrade. I went to MMB and under Change booking I can't see:

* Upgrade my class of travel with money; or
* Upgrade my class of travel with miles

However, I can see:

* Change date/time of my flight
* Cancel/refund my flight

I suspect I've dropped another clanger...

What have I done wrong?

Palmer

HilFly Oct 5, 2010 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by Prospero (Post 14891590)
I am hesitant to put forward a black and white answer. In my experience, which relates exclusively to trips ticketed from EDI to short haul European destinations and booked in discounted economy, none of these tickets were eligible for POUG. This, I have been told by BA, is due to the rules that apply to these specific fare combinations, with emphasis on the adjective specific. ;)

I think if any POUG proposition is going to be made available to a ticket containing UK domestic feeders it may be those with a fare combination that work within the existing MFU mechanism. Thus, in theory, a EDI-LHR-SFO booked in T class with domestic sectors booked in J may well be eligible for POUG (subject to availability). Whether MMB has been primed to offer this is a different issue.

Just my musing on the subject. :)

Mr H travelled MAN-LHR-BOS in J domestic, T transatlantic but was not offered an upgrade on MMB. Several people were op upped WT+ to CW on the flight, but not him.

Paralytic Oct 5, 2010 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by HilFly (Post 14891689)
Mr H travelled MAN-LHR-BOS in J domestic, T transatlantic but was not offered an upgrade on MMB. Several people were op upped WT+ to CW on the flight, but not him.

So on my EDI-LHR-SFO where no PAUG was offered on MMB, i was upgraded at EDI bag-drop, so it doesn't rule out upgrades.

BA is losing money by not offering POUGs from flights started in the regions as I'd likely have paid a reasonable amount.

HilFly Oct 5, 2010 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by Paralytic (Post 14891954)
So on my EDI-LHR-SFO where no PAUG was offered on MMB, i was upgraded at EDI bag-drop, so it doesn't rule out upgrades.

BA is losing money by not offering POUGs from flights started in the regions as I'd likely have paid a reasonable amount.


The staff at the ticket desk at MAN claimed they couldn't do upgrades. His MAN-LHR flight was late so he didn't have time to try and do anything at LHR.

It was doubly annoying seeing so many people op upped. (He overheard them and chatted to some of them at the gate - this is how he knew.) This was a trip that was originally booked as WT+ MFUd to CW. When the dates had to be changed there was no CW availablity for upgrade, but they told us to keep on trying. Checking MMB and calling BAEC proved fruitless, but they told him he'd be able to do it at the the airport. Seems strange that someone can be begging to use miles or money for an upgrade but instead people get op upped.

Paralytic Oct 5, 2010 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by HilFly (Post 14892074)
The staff at the ticket desk at MAN claimed they couldn't do upgrades. His MAN-LHR flight was late so he didn't have time to try and do anything at LHR.

To be clear, my flight was competely ful and I suspect heavily oversold, so it wasn't the EDI agent that upgraded me, but the upgrade had been processed by BA by the time i came to drop off my bag in EDI.


Originally Posted by HilFly (Post 14892074)
It was doubly annoying seeing so many people op upped. (He overheard them and chatted to some of them at the gate - this is how he knew.) This was a trip that was originally booked as WT+ MFUd to CW. When the dates had to be changed there was no CW availablity for upgrade, but they told us to keep on trying. Checking MMB and calling BAEC proved fruitless, but they told him he'd be able to do it at the the airport. Seems strange that someone can be begging to use miles or money for an upgrade but instead people get op upped.

Does MrHiFly have status? If not, then its unlikely he'd ever have been op-up'd- status passengers will invariably come first.

He should not have been told that he would be able to upgrade at the airport; you cannot MFU at the airport and I guess they were trying to indicate that he could ask about a paid upgrade.

HilFly Oct 5, 2010 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by Paralytic (Post 14892209)
To be clear, my flight was competely ful and I suspect heavily oversold, so it wasn't the EDI agent that upgraded me, but the upgrade had been processed by BA by the time i came to drop off my bag in EDI.



Does MrHiFly have status? If not, then its unlikely he'd ever have been op-up'd- status passengers will invariably come first.

He should not have been told that he would be able to upgrade at the airport; you cannot MFU at the airport and I guess they were trying to indicate that he could ask about a paid upgrade.

Mr HilFly is silver. He wasn't trying to MFU at the airport - he was enquiring about paid upgrades. Over the phone he was trying to MFU or pay for a cash upgrade, but the only price he was offered was the difference between his T fare and a C fare.

Globaliser Oct 6, 2010 11:15 am


Originally Posted by Palmer (Post 14891660)
What have I done wrong?

You have failed to book the cabin in which you actually want to travel.

You know these things are not guaranteed. They're nice if they happen, but relying on their availability is a certain route to frequent disappointment.

Palmer Oct 6, 2010 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser (Post 14897829)
You have failed to book the cabin in which you actually want to travel.

You know these things are not guaranteed. They're nice if they happen, but relying on their availability is a certain route to frequent disappointment.

I was trying to retrospectively upgrade with miles. However, I found this a little later in the Ultimate Guide, under Spending Miles



You can only upgrade from Economy to WT+ if your ticket is a Y B H fare. You CANNOT upgrade from a cheapy economy fare to WT+
Oh well, I've bagged 28J and 51J - that'll teach me..!

Palmer

clubman Oct 12, 2010 7:31 am

Couple of questions re these special MMB upgrades...

1. What fare bucket do WT to WT+ upgrades book into? And is this regardless of what the original Y fare bucket was.

2. if the answer to the first is that the upgrade is booked into a regular revenue fare bucket then what happens with redemption bookings? Does choosing the upgrade change them to a normal miles/tier points earning booking and therefore also change the T&C of the ticket?

3. Is it common to get a double offer, i.e. first from Y to W and then get an offer to J?

Thanks.

Roger Oct 12, 2010 3:01 pm

1. Our G went to P, which is a non-upgradeable code, i.e. no further upgrade.

2. Earns miles and TPs as WT+. I guess the original T+Cs apply.

3. No, just one class up. Of course, you may be op-upped, as has happened to FTers.

Camflyer Oct 12, 2010 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by Roger (Post 14933544)
3. No, just one class up. Of course, you may be op-upped, as has happened to FTers.

Yes, I did a £115 upgrade to BOS recently from WT to WTP, got an exit row at OLCI and then got an OpUp to Upper Deck CW at check-in. From cattle to upstairs for just over a hundred quid. Great bargain!

clubman Oct 12, 2010 6:56 pm

Cheers guys.

estate Oct 12, 2010 9:25 pm

I recently flew SYD-BKK on BA10. Booked into Y, I was offered AUD349 for an upgrade to WT+, and AUD1000 for an upgrade straight to J. So it seems in this instance it was possible to upgrade by more than one class.

I suppose AUD1000 used to be roughly GBP399, but with the current exchange rates it's an awful lot more than that!

I took the $349 upgrade to WT+, though for some reason only the original Y points and SCs (I'm a QF FF, not BAEC) have been credited. I'll give it another day to sort itself out and then give QF or BA a call.

FlightNurse Oct 14, 2010 10:45 pm

PHX-LHR WT to WT+
 
Ok I just read the whole thread and it looks like BA does offer upgrades at most of time reasonable prices. I'm wondering if the upgrade is worth it on the flight. I haven't seen anyone post the same route I plan on taking. So is the upgrade worth the price?


Originally Posted by HighlandPark (Post 14508783)
I wonder if it might be worth trying to compile a list of MMB upgrade prices as it might be helpful for anyone looking for TPs who is prepared to buy a cheap economy return and gamble on an MMB upgrade being available.

My contribution to the list is that on MMB recently I have seen £80 for LGW-MRS (£160 for a return) and £100 for LGW-NAP (£200 for a return).



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