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rapidex Dec 14, 2018 8:21 am


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 30534001)
Yep. Boeing only have 41 of them left to assemble unless they take any more orders. They've pushed out 31 so far this year so 2020 will see the last few come off the production line. Boeing already have four 777-9s in assembly so they're in the transition period now.
It does make you wonder why BA haven't gone for the newer models. I think we can safely assume price is the main factor.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=2&pli=1#gid=5

I think delivery date is the main factor. The aircraft are leased, so BA is not paying the price, only monthly leasing costs.

Schind Dec 14, 2018 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by rapidex (Post 30534896)
I think delivery date is the main factor. The aircraft are leased, so BA is not paying the price, only monthly leasing costs.

Indeed, but you'd imagine the leasing costs are a lot lower. The list price for a 777-9 is $64 million more than a 300ER plus Boeing probably offered the last few production slots at an even cheaper price than normal in order to ensure no gaps in production. As recently as 2017 it was announced they were struggling to fill the last few slots and there haven't been a huge amount of orders since then. A lower price of aircraft to the lessor is bound to mean lower charges for the airline.

RB211 Dec 14, 2018 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 30535925)
Indeed, but you'd imagine the leasing costs are a lot lower. The list price for a 777-9 is $64 million more than a 300ER plus Boeing probably offered the last few production slots at an even cheaper price than normal in order to ensure no gaps in production. As recently as 2017 it was announced they were struggling to fill the last few slots and there haven't been a huge amount of orders since then. A lower price of aircraft to the lessor is bound to mean lower charges for the airline.

Indeed. It's ALL to do with cost/expense. If if one thinks something doesn't have a cost/expense implication, it does!

rb211.

FlyerTalker39574 Dec 14, 2018 2:37 pm


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 30535925)
...A lower price of aircraft to the lessor is bound to mean lower charges for the airline.

Would the lessor be offering their standard B77W terms and not the end of line discount?

RB211 Dec 14, 2018 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by richardwft (Post 30536310)
Would the lessor be offering their standard B77W terms and not the end of line discount?

It depends on what the market will stand. If there are quite a few airlines wanting 77Ws on lease, then standard terms might fly! Otherwise a bit of a discount might be in order. And it might also depend on the discount from Boeing too. So I suspect there is a small discount to the lessor for "old" new aircraft at the end of their production run. It has to be somewhat attractive after all. But this will have all been worked out before the order; leasing companies rarely order aircraft without already having the lessee lined up and terms agreed.

rb211.

Adam Smith Dec 15, 2018 8:41 pm

Not sure whether this is exactly the right spot to ask, but any idea where the lone 321neo is flying? I'm looking at flying LHR-AMS next month and Google Flights is telling me it's operated by a 321neo. BA is telling me it's a 320. When I look up the flight on ExpertFlyer, it shows the code 32Q. Not flying BA much, I'm not sure which of the two types that would correspond to... Any insight?

RB211 Dec 15, 2018 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 30540160)
Not sure whether this is exactly the right spot to ask, but any idea where the lone 321neo is flying? I'm looking at flying LHR-AMS next month and Google Flights is telling me it's operated by a 321neo. BA is telling me it's a 320. When I look up the flight on ExpertFlyer, it shows the code 32Q. Not flying BA much, I'm not sure which of the two types that would correspond to... Any insight?

The code 32Q does indeed correspond to the A321neo. Always a chance that the type will be changed closer to the flight, although NEOS is due to join NEOR in January but I don't know when. On the BA seat map, where are the exit rows located? That should help confirm the exact type.

rb211.

Schind Dec 16, 2018 2:19 am


Originally Posted by Adam Smith (Post 30540160)
Not sure whether this is exactly the right spot to ask, but any idea where the lone 321neo is flying? I'm looking at flying LHR-AMS next month and Google Flights is telling me it's operated by a 321neo. BA is telling me it's a 320. When I look up the flight on ExpertFlyer, it shows the code 32Q. Not flying BA much, I'm not sure which of the two types that would correspond to... Any insight?

It's flying all over the place but, so far, hasn't been to AMS. The routes each plane has flown in the past 30 days are available on The BA Source.

G-NEOR | The BA Source

lorcancoyle Dec 16, 2018 8:37 am


Originally Posted by Scotflyer80 (Post 30474432)
G-TTNG is planned to be delivered to BA tomorrow evening from TLS.

I’m about to fly her - will see if she’s clean or not, and if the in-seat power is working! (Unless I’ve got my aircraft confused)

Davidmp Dec 16, 2018 11:05 am


Originally Posted by RB211 (Post 30540351)
The code 32Q does indeed correspond to the A321neo. Always a chance that the type will be changed closer to the flight, although NEOS is due to join NEOR in January but I don't know when. On the BA seat map, where are the exit rows located? That should help confirm the exact type.

rb211.

I see that NEOS is the next to be delivered so why is NEOP being delivered out of sequence? She seems to have been sitting idle (without engines) for some months. Is it purely an engine delivery problem or is there something else going on?

RB211 Dec 16, 2018 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by Davidmp (Post 30541661)
I see that NEOS is the next to be delivered so why is NEOP being delivered out of sequence? She seems to have been sitting idle (without engines) for some months. Is it purely an engine delivery problem or is there something else going on?

NEOP was to be the first delivered. I think someone said it might have had a small accident upthread, but I don't have anything solid.

rb211.

Trent900 Dec 16, 2018 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by Trent900 (Post 30509142)
Looks like NEOP has had a mishap before even flying.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspo...0/in/contacts/

Regarding NEOP

BobServant Dec 16, 2018 3:23 pm


Originally Posted by Schind (Post 30540610)
It's flying all over the place but, so far, hasn't been to AMS. The routes each plane has flown in the past 30 days are available on The BA Source.

G-NEOR The BA Source

From the seat map it looks like G-NEOR is on the 1435/1439 rotation to EDI on Tuesday morning (18/12).

RDWRER Dec 17, 2018 3:56 am

First A350 very likely to be Canada - after a few Madrid FAM flights of course.

marks7389 Dec 17, 2018 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by BrianDromey (Post 30534163)
Interesting. I wonder if they would retain F in that super-Hi-J layout? I guess 3-4-3 is a certainty for these aircraft.

At a rough guess the 77Ws could end up with something like 8F/80J/40W/130Y Vs 14F/56J/44W/183Y today. There are quite a few assumptions though, F could become a 4 "suite" cabin, J likely won't be as space efficient as it is currently and BA may prefer to increase the size of the W cabin at the expense of 86J.

With the kind of density BA is achieving elsewhere in the fleet I reckon they could manage a bit better than that, even with a lower density J layout. My guess was 8F/88J/40W/140Y, assuming:

Cabin section 1: 8F+16J
Cabin section 2: 48J
Cabin section 3: 24J+40W
Cabin section 4: 140Y (10 abreast)

That assumes an F toilet and reduced galley space at the front. CW galley & toilets around doors 2 and 3 and main W/J toilets at the rear of cabin section 3. Cabin section 4 as per the densified 3 class 777-200s but only 2 toilets, freeing up space for 8 more seats.

That would mean a lot of repositioning of toilets and galley space though so, even if possible probably makes for an expensive refit.

Will be interesting to see....


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