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jimbo99 Jan 8, 2012 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by chelmkamp (Post 17772746)
To be fair, I think the Colonial Brits and other Europeans were galavanting around the globe handing out gratuities long before..

Yep. But just from my observation, these days it's Americans that do it more than anyone else. So I don't think "US custom" is unfair.

I would suggest too that whilst those from non-tipping cultures usually feel they should tip when local custom requires it, Americans have a greater propensity to insist on tipping (they need it, doesn't do any harm, it's my money etc) in non-tipping cultures.

As you say, there is a link with bribery, all be it plausibly deniable in the case of tipping.

It is an fascinating topic. So interesting, I wrote my law masters' dissertation on it a while back. The UK has since enacted a draconian law (Bribery Act 2010) which even had the Post Office issuing guidance to postmen as to when they could/could not accept a tip at Christmas. It is extra-territorial in effect and unlike the US FCPA applies to overseas private transactions.


Originally Posted by chelmkamp (Post 17772746)
There are far more dangerous things in this world than misplaced American generosity, however naive and unnecessary it may be.

A courageous comment!

chefdg1 Jan 9, 2012 5:48 am

Urchins?
 

Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 17774807)
You took exception to 'feral children' but not 'urchins'? Hmmmmmm......

The term "feral child" is most often used to describe children raised by animals. Surely that is not what you are inferring. Or is it?

dsquared37 Jan 9, 2012 6:24 am


Originally Posted by chefdg1 (Post 17777337)
The term "feral child" is most often used to describe children raised by animals. Surely that is not what you are inferring. Or is it?

Are you asking a question or answering it.

How about feral urchins.

chelmkamp Jan 9, 2012 8:04 am


Originally Posted by jimbo99 (Post 17775603)
It is an fascinating topic. So interesting, I wrote my law masters' dissertation on it a while back. The UK has since enacted a draconian law (Bribery Act 2010) which even had the Post Office issuing guidance to postmen as to when they could/could not accept a tip at Christmas. It is extra-territorial in effect and unlike the US FCPA applies to overseas private transactions.

Interesting topic for a dissertation for sure!

The funny thing is that while we Americans tend to be tip-happy overseas, we really only tip waiters, bartenders and cabbies back home. I don't know too many people at all, especially outside of big cities, who would even consider tipping the mailman, the doorman, etc. Also funny is that many of us are too prideful and would rather drag our luggage up multiple flights of stairs than ever tip a bellhop to bring it to our room for us.

As for Cambodia... immensely enjoying the posts here. Moving to the region next year, so taking in all I can get. Keep it coming!

Kalboz Jan 9, 2012 8:10 am


Originally Posted by jimbo99 (Post 17775603)
It is an fascinating topic. So interesting, I wrote my law masters' dissertation on it a while back. The UK has since enacted a draconian law (Bribery Act 2010) which even had the Post Office issuing guidance to postmen as to when they could/could not accept a tip at Christmas. It is extra-territorial in effect and unlike the US FCPA applies to overseas private transactions.

A courageous comment!

For years now, the US Government which includes the USPS has had a code of ethical conduct which prohibits postal/federal employees from accepting gratuities (including Christmas tips) as a result of executing their official duties ... I don't see it as draconian, or, frankly, as something new.

mario33 Jan 9, 2012 8:37 am


Originally Posted by jimbo99 (Post 17775603)
The UK has since enacted a draconian law (Bribery Act 2010) which even had the Post Office issuing guidance to postmen as to when they could/could not accept a tip at Christmas. !

So the 'dustmen' won't be getting any wine ?

jimbo99 Jan 9, 2012 9:41 am


Originally Posted by mario33 (Post 17778164)
So the 'dustmen' won't be getting any wine ?

Ha ha ha. I remember as a kid at Christmas they'd knock on your door practically demanding a "tip"/gift etc. It could get nasty if you refused. But those days are gone (I think), particularly as many of the services are run privately now.


Originally Posted by Kalboz (Post 17778002)
For years now, the US Government which includes the USPS has had a code of ethical conduct which prohibits postal/federal employees from accepting gratuities (including Christmas tips) as a result of executing their official duties ... I don't see it as draconian, or, frankly, as something new.

No, that's not draconian. However the UK law is (IMHO), but I don't really want to take us the thread off topic. Of relevance is that if a UK person whilst in Cambodia were to bribe, say, a hotel receptionist in order to get a room upgrade then it is a criminal office in the UK. The definition of a bribe is quite widely drawn and catches what some would regard as normal business entertaining/hospitality. Unlike the US FCPA regime it isn't confined to public officials and there are fewer defences (eg no "facilitation payment" defence).


Originally Posted by chelmkamp (Post 17777976)
Also funny is that many of us are too prideful and would rather drag our luggage up multiple flights of stairs than ever tip a bellhop to bring it to our room for us.

Well, if I'm staying in a hotel I expect that to be done for me as part of the service included in the room rate. Well, I say "expect". Depends where I am, and I'm rarely in the US!

jiejie Jan 9, 2012 9:34 pm


Originally Posted by jimbo99 (Post 17778570)
Unlike the US FCPA regime it isn't confined to public officials and there are fewer defences (eg no "facilitation payment" defence).

I assure you that every US private company I've worked for in China, had me sign paperwork pledging to adhere to the provisions of the FCPA and RICO statutes when working on behalf of the company, under penalty of dismissal and throwing my @ss to the Feds for noncompliance.

But to be sure, the pledge doesn't cover any tipping I might want to do in my personal life on vacation. :D In Asia those tipping situations are rare occurrences, not the norm. Exercising self-control and following local traditional custom is usually best. If you want to throw extra money around, pool what would have been all your tips into a lump sum, and donate it to a deserving local charity or Children's Hospital or something. Or take your tip money, buy notebooks and pencils locally (thus helping the local economy), and give them to the headmaster of a struggling rural school, for the kids.

jimbo99 Jan 9, 2012 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 17783016)
I assure you that every US private company I've worked for in China, had me sign paperwork pledging to adhere to the provisions of the FCPA

Sure. My wording was unclear. The FCPA addresses bribery of foreign officials (and certain others). As you say it applies to all US persons.

The key difference is that the UKBA applies to all overseas bribery, including private sector bribery. So it is much greater in scope. It also covers bribery outside the business realm. There are fewer defences too (eg there is no "facilitation payment" defence, though I appreciate that that is of dubious value). Up to 10 years too, rather than 5!

Note that even US companies in Cambodia can be caught by the UKBA if they also have a presence in the UK.

I found this comparison which seems pretty accurate:
http://tfoxlaw.wordpress.com/2011/03...d-bribery-act/

The UK Act was hurriedly passed through parliament in the "wash up" to the last election. It is highly aspirational in my view and it remains to be seen how effective the SFO is in enforcement.

whackyjacky Jan 9, 2012 10:24 pm

Back to TIPPING, Khmer service is usually nonchalant at best. They anticipate nothing and seemingly wouldn't notice if you were on fire. In my futile attempts at behavior modification, should I actually get an attentive server or bartender - I reward them by putting the tip in their hands. Otherwise they split it all up. wj

dsquared37 Jan 10, 2012 12:08 am


Originally Posted by whackyjacky (Post 17783250)
Back to TIPPING, Khmer service is usually nonchalant at best. They anticipate nothing and seemingly wouldn't notice if you were on fire. In my futile attempts at behavior modification, should I actually get an attentive server or bartender - I reward them by putting the tip in their hands. Otherwise they split it all up. wj


I have a friend in PNH who likes to tip for all service: coffee, a couple of beers etc. I cringe sometimes when meeting up with him and seeing what he's leaving, which is occassionally closing in on 20%.

Thankfully he knows i don't condone the act and doesn't ask for me to contribute.


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