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jakesideas May 2, 2012 12:17 pm

Flights within Myanmar
 
Does anyone know anything about how to get around Myanmar by air? I am looking to fly within the country and want to know what the best airline is and how to purhcase tickets.

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tagboy May 2, 2012 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by jakesideas (Post 18500837)
Does anyone know anything about how to get around Myanmar by air? I am looking to fly within the country and want to know what the best airline is and how to purhcase tickets.


We created an itinerary and checked the airlines schedules. We then contacted an agent there and they purchased the tickets at a better rate than was available to us on the Internet. The agent met us at our first hotel and gave us the package of all our tickets and hotel reservations. They also looked after all the re-confirmations as the trip progressed. The agent we used was Shan Yoma
(http:/www.exploremyanmar.com/domestic-flight-fare.htm). There are several other recommended agents available.

jakesideas May 2, 2012 6:33 pm


Originally Posted by tagboy (Post 18501391)
We created an itinerary and checked the airlines schedules. We then contacted an agent there and they purchased the tickets at a better rate than was available to us on the Internet. The agent met us at our first hotel and gave us the package of all our tickets and hotel reservations. They also looked after all the re-confirmations as the trip progressed. The agent we used was Shan Yoma
(http:/www.exploremyanmar.com/domestic-flight-fare.htm). There are several other recommended agents available.

Thank you for the advice. I will contact the agent you recommended. Which airline did you end up flying on and how were the flights?

BKKROP May 2, 2012 8:02 pm

The internal airline you need and use, will depend on where you are going. Most tourist do the Yangon, Bagan then either up to Mandalay or down to the beach, so Air Bagan is alright. If you are of an inquisitive nature, check out the International fares ex Yangon. Most are to America, with odd ones to Europe Japan and Indonesia, but if First class fares for under 2K excite you, this is the place. If staying at the Strand or Gov Residence, the hotel can do them for the same prices we have found.

A380 Flyer May 6, 2012 9:38 am

I have heard many stories about the poor safety records of Myanmar airlines within the country. I would prefer to fly TG from BKK into RGN, and then maybe risk my life on a flight to Bagan. But minimise your time spent flying with 'local' airlines, that would be my advice.

jiejie May 6, 2012 11:18 am


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 18523560)
I have heard many stories about the poor safety records of Myanmar airlines within the country. I would prefer to fly TG from BKK into RGN, and then maybe risk my life on a flight to Bagan. But minimise your time spent flying with 'local' airlines, that would be my advice.

Mostly those stories are about domestic Myanma Airways (note, not the same as Myanmar Airways International). The other domestics, not so much of a problem, though there are always lingering questions in my mind about maintenance. But unless you have a lot of time and can put up with uncertainty and/or some discomfort, domestic flights are the realistic option for most. And for getting to some places essential, as there are certain land routes that are completely closed to foreigners--although none on the standard Yangon-Bagan-Mandalay-Inle circuit.

glennaa11 May 6, 2012 12:20 pm

all of my flights last year were on Air Bagan. they were fine. Most were not that full so no advance seat assignments were made. the Myanmar domestic aviation system is stuck in the 1970s. Paper tickets. Preprinted, no barcode baggage tags. No automated baggage systems.

I never felt particularly unsafe. And there is no easy, quick way to get around other than flying. There are several airlines, all flying relatively new ATR-72's for the most part. Air Bagan also has a Fokker 100 and a couple of ATR-42s in their fleet. The other main players seemed to be Air Mandalay, Yangon Airways, Air KBZ and Asian Wings. You need to pack your patience for airports there. Things are frequently late. Boarding is announced by someone holding up a sign so you have to pay attention. I flew Yangon-Sittwe, Sittwe-Yangon (via the beach), Yangon-Bagan, Bagan-Mandalay, Mandalay-Heho and Heho-Yangon.

kan148 May 7, 2012 10:21 am


Originally Posted by glennaa11 (Post 18524219)
I flew Yangon-Sittwe, Sittwe-Yangon (via the beach), Yangon-Bagan, Bagan-Mandalay, Mandalay-Heho and Heho-Yangon.

That's a lot of flying. Were you using this deal? http://www.airmandalay.com/promotion.php#two

glennaa11 May 7, 2012 11:19 am

My flights were booked by my travel agent. It was all wrapped up in the price I paid them and not broken out as far as I can remember. I was on Air Bagan, not Air Mandalay anyway. ;)

jiejie May 7, 2012 11:56 am


Originally Posted by kan148 (Post 18528936)
That's a lot of flying. Were you using this deal? http://www.airmandalay.com/promotion.php#two

Of those routes, only the Bagan-Mandalay and Mandalay-Heho would be doable overland within the confines of an "average" 2-week visit. Anytime you put Sittwe on the itinerary, you've automatically got two extra flights in there. There is an arduous overland partly-unpaved road, but last I checked (admittedly a couple of years ago) it was not open to foreigners. Yangon to/from upcountry (Bagan, Heho, etc.) is not something I'd advise to most people who don't have at least 3 weeks in-country.

jakesideas May 7, 2012 12:48 pm

I am a little worried about booking last minute as I want to fly the day after I arrive in the country. Does anyone have an agency recommendation?

glennaa11 May 8, 2012 7:31 am

the local agent that handled my flights was EPG Travel www.epgtravel.com

jakesideas May 16, 2012 9:00 am

I'm considering flying Air Manadalay. I wonder if the prices change as we get closer to the date of travel or if they are fixed. Also, does anyone have experience with this airline?

BKKROP May 16, 2012 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by jakesideas (Post 18585414)
I'm considering flying Air Mandalay. I wonder if the prices change as we get closer to the date of travel or if they are fixed. Also, does anyone have experience with this airline?

Flown all the airlines here, although mainly Air Bagan and Mandalay, planes are the same, leaving at the same time and with checkins they walk around the terminals with a board which says eg Manaday flightb boarding. Seems if one is full they book you on the other anyway. The fares don't alter, they are tiny 2 prop jobs

glennaa11 May 17, 2012 8:17 am

I don't know about "tiny". They are ATR-72s mostly and sometimes ATR-42s. So 70 pax or 40 pax. Small compared to a Jumbo jet I suppose. I like the ATRs I have flown around Asia. Bangkok Airways has a lot in their fleet as well.

BKKROP May 17, 2012 6:02 pm

Maybe not that tiny after all.

I rarely read back on threads, so I hadn't noticed till I did, that you have flown all over Mynamar too. You obviously have experienced it all, love how you said they run late, I had a Bangkok connection followed by a Europe connection and the flight was delayed, talk about a pack of cards falling in a heap, yet nobody cared or showed any concern. Only did it once, now I have a day in BKK before the next flight.

Our aim is to align ourselves with an airline, through their FFP, contract rates and lounges, have you proceeded to this point yet and if so which is the best

glennaa11 May 18, 2012 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by BKKROP (Post 18595961)
Our aim is to align ourselves with an airline, through their FFP, contract rates and lounges, have you proceeded to this point yet and if so which is the best

Not sure I quite understand the question. Do you mean in Myanmar? I have only been there for one trip. All of the flights I took were on Air Bagan. I think they do have some sort of FFP, but I didn't join it. Most of those tiny airports don't have many amenities like lounges at this point. I did access the lounge at RGN on the return to BKK because I had booked in C. It was small with a little food and drink, newspapers, etc. Better than nothing. Most of the planes are 1 class (except for the Air Bagan Fokker 100 which I believe has a small C class cabin) so no upgrades. Flights were booked via a local agent. Not sure what the benefits of their FFP are other than the odd free flight here and there.

BKKROP May 18, 2012 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by glennaa11 (Post 18601343)
Not sure I quite understand the question. Do you mean in Myanmar? I have only been there for one trip. All of the flights I took were on Air Bagan..

Every American and Englishperson we meet is setting up a manufacturing company here, every Indian and Arab is building an export business and the Chinese have already cornered the building sector. I incorrectly assumed you were here, all the airlines are proactive in signing up customers and I was sussing you out what deals different airlines had offered you. Most of the regulars have worked out this is the spot to buy fares, it has been incredible what is available

JetSetDave Nov 9, 2012 7:44 am

Looking for update on recommendations for purchasing inter Myanmar flights since the last post was in May 2012. Noticed Air Mandalay has an online booking tool, is it safe to book now for flying in March 2013 without risk of cancellation? I plan on checking in with the Air Mandalay counter upon arrival at RGN to confirm all of the flights. Thanks

andaman C Nov 10, 2012 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by mtndave47 (Post 19653333)
Looking for update on recommendations for purchasing inter Myanmar flights since the last post was in May 2012. Noticed Air Mandalay has an online booking tool, is it safe to book now for flying in March 2013 without risk of cancellation? I plan on checking in with the Air Mandalay counter upon arrival at RGN to confirm all of the flights. Thanks

I've found Air Mandalay to be the most responsive to emails for my trip in late December (you can't book online... it sends them an email of your reservation request that they confirm or deny by return email). Air Bagan never returned any of my email requests, so I'm trying to go through a local travel agent for one leg (challenging in its own right).

freezefactor Jan 1, 2013 12:52 pm

Just wondering if anyone has happened to use Oway (www.oway.com.mm) for domestic Myanmar flights? They have an actual website that looks like it is in the 21st century.

jbalmuth Jan 26, 2013 9:57 am


Originally Posted by freezefactor (Post 19954373)
Just wondering if anyone has happened to use Oway (www.oway.com.mm) for domestic Myanmar flights? They have an actual website that looks like it is in the 21st century.

My wife and I have just completed 4 domestic Myanmar flights booked through OWAY. The website may look like it's in the 21st century, but there are some substantial downsides in relying on that first impression.

Pros:
Calls to the California based 800 number are responded to promptly
Payment by credit card is available, thereby making life considerably simpler (for those not use to carrying lots of cash)
Flight tickets are delivered to your hotel upon arrival in Myanmar

Cons:
Flight purchases are not, ultimately, for the flights that you choose on the website. Of our four flights recently completed, only one was the same airline and flight number that we thought we were purchasing.
OWAY is not acting as an agent in the traditional OTA model, where the credit card charge is by the ticketing airline ---- your credit card is charged by OWAY LLC, and the charge is not recognizable as a travel expense (i.e OWAY is not registered as a travel company by Visa, Mastercard etc).
OWAY's support staff are inexperienced and sometimes extremely unhelpful. For example, we were informed definitively by OWAY that two of our flights were not operating because the Bagan airport would be closed for a 3-week period and that we needed to find alternative means of transportation. This turned out to be idiotically poor information (the airport was closed on certain afternoons for renovations).
On 3 occasions OWAY changed our airline and flight times without any advance consultation. Emails to them requesting alternatives went unanswered / unresponded to. [Fortunately the airlines themselves are extremely flexible and our travel plans were modified without OWAY's assistance].

All in all, I think that OWAY's best attribute, it's website, is also it's worst. Anyone who uses the website to carefully choose which airline and which flight time they wish to purchase will probably be extremely annoyed to find that their issued tickets are for different airlines, that nonstop flights are now multi-stop ones, that departure/arrival times are now inconvenient, and that refunds for such changes are neither offered nor forthcoming. YMMV

freezefactor Jan 27, 2013 1:25 pm

Just saw your reply to my original question from the start of the month. I ended up using Oway for a flight (RGN-MDL) and a hotel, and my experience generally matches your own.

I'm curious about the Bagan airport -- I was told by both Oway and Air Mandalay separately that no flights were operating to Nyaung U Airport due to renovations from Jan. 10-21. I didn't pursue it further, but in order for me to go to Bagan, I ended up taking a night train and a night bus in Myanmar, which was obviously less comfortable than flights. Just curious if the information I was being given was wrong or not.


Originally Posted by jbalmuth (Post 20128199)
My wife and I have just completed 4 domestic Myanmar flights booked through OWAY. The website may look like it's in the 21st century, but there are some substantial downsides in relying on that first impression.

Pros:
Calls to the California based 800 number are responded to promptly
Payment by credit card is available, thereby making life considerably simpler (for those not use to carrying lots of cash)
Flight tickets are delivered to your hotel upon arrival in Myanmar

Cons:
Flight purchases are not, ultimately, for the flights that you choose on the website. Of our four flights recently completed, only one was the same airline and flight number that we thought we were purchasing.
OWAY is not acting as an agent in the traditional OTA model, where the credit card charge is by the ticketing airline ---- your credit card is charged by OWAY LLC, and the charge is not recognizable as a travel expense (i.e OWAY is not registered as a travel company by Visa, Mastercard etc).
OWAY's support staff are inexperienced and sometimes extremely unhelpful. For example, we were informed definitively by OWAY that two of our flights were not operating because the Bagan airport would be closed for a 3-week period and that we needed to find alternative means of transportation. This turned out to be idiotically poor information (the airport was closed on certain afternoons for renovations).
On 3 occasions OWAY changed our airline and flight times without any advance consultation. Emails to them requesting alternatives went unanswered / unresponded to. [Fortunately the airlines themselves are extremely flexible and our travel plans were modified without OWAY's assistance].

All in all, I think that OWAY's best attribute, it's website, is also it's worst. Anyone who uses the website to carefully choose which airline and which flight time they wish to purchase will probably be extremely annoyed to find that their issued tickets are for different airlines, that nonstop flights are now multi-stop ones, that departure/arrival times are now inconvenient, and that refunds for such changes are neither offered nor forthcoming. YMMV


hiyo Jan 27, 2013 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by freezefactor (Post 20134345)

I'm curious about the Bagan airport -- I was told by both Oway and Air Mandalay separately that no flights were operating to Nyaung U Airport due to renovations from Jan. 10-21. I didn't pursue it further, but in order for me to go to Bagan, I ended up taking a night train and a night bus in Myanmar, which was obviously less comfortable than flights. Just curious if the information I was being given was wrong or not.

You may have been misinformed. We flew NYU-HEH on 11 Jan, KBZ Airways.

jbalmuth Jan 28, 2013 11:00 am


Originally Posted by freezefactor (Post 20134345)
I'm curious about the Bagan airport -- I was told by both Oway and Air Mandalay separately that no flights were operating to Nyaung U Airport due to renovations from Jan. 10-21. I didn't pursue it further, but in order for me to go to Bagan, I ended up taking a night train and a night bus in Myanmar, which was obviously less comfortable than flights. Just curious if the information I was being given was wrong or not.

The airport was only closed during some afternoons. We had no problem flying to Bagan the morning of Jan 18 and from there just before noon on Jan 21. The flight in was on Air Bagan and the flight out on the 21st was Air KBZ. I suspect that your cancelled Air Mandalay flight was an afternoon one, and that you were given the reason for the flight cancellation, not a helpful suggestion of how to work around the issue. That appears to be a common (and serious) current OWAY failing, ime.

freezefactor Jan 28, 2013 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by jbalmuth (Post 20139541)
The airport was only closed during some afternoons. We had no problem flying to Bagan the morning of Jan 18 and from there just before noon on Jan 21. The flight in was on Air Bagan and the flight out on the 21st was Air KBZ. I suspect that your cancelled Air Mandalay flight was an afternoon one, and that you were given the reason for the flight cancellation, not a helpful suggestion of how to work around the issue. That appears to be a common (and serious) current OWAY failing, ime.

Ah well. Live and learn. In any case, I suppose I ended up saving about $300 or so by doing the night train/night buses so I suppose it wasn't so bad. I had saved off booking domestic trips anyway until only a week before I left to the area because I had a R3 RGN fare that I wanted to wait on booking my domestic itinerary in case it was cancelled. I wouldn't be surprised if the flights were booked out if only the morning ones were operating.

oway Feb 3, 2013 11:04 pm

We are grateful for the comments. Comments such as these about our services are the best way for us to learn and move forward:

1. The incidence happened when we were understaffed during the busy season. We regretted that. As a result : we have increased our staff level with better capacities now.

2. We have now created a customer happiness team that focuses solely on making sure that our customers are happy - the team is tasked with dispute resolutions and also find ways to keep the satisfaction level high.

3. Regarding flights and hotel auto-booking, we can only do auto-confirmation 95% of the time - and we cannot guarantee auto-confirmation during busy reasons at certain location (Inle, for example). Regarding flights, we will get you same day booking (+ or - 4 hours of the same day). It is unfortunate until sometimes May or June of 2013 where we will complete our systems and have more active participation from vendors. However, we are pleased to let our audience know that we can do this more than 95% of the time. In fact, we have been booking for the past 2 weeks with no amendments whatsoever as our system is getting better. We are working on it - every single day to improve.

4. This may disappoint some customers, but we want to be transparent and forthright about what we can and what we cannot at the moment. One thing we guarantee, we are constantly learning and taking your feedback extremely seriously.

Oway Team

b747lh Jan 12, 2016 6:55 am

Sorry to revive an old thread but just wanted to see if there are any updates on this subject? I'm planning a trip to Myanmar and looking to book domestic flights soon.

BostonFlyer1624 Jan 12, 2016 11:47 am


Originally Posted by b747lh (Post 26004959)
Sorry to revive an old thread but just wanted to see if there are any updates on this subject? I'm planning a trip to Myanmar and looking to book domestic flights soon.

You can go to the individual carrier websites and book your own tickets. I just came back from a trip and used a travel agent to do everything.

Just make sure that if you do your own ticket purchases, you check departure times frequently days before your flight, and avoid booking connecting flights on other carriers unless you give plenty of transfer time. Domestic carriers in Myanmar will change flight times without notice.

b747lh Jan 12, 2016 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by BostonFlyer1624 (Post 26006490)
You can go to the individual carrier websites and book your own tickets. I just came back from a trip and used a travel agent to do everything.

Just make sure that if you do your own ticket purchases, you check departure times frequently days before your flight, and avoid booking connecting flights on other carriers unless you give plenty of transfer time. Domestic carriers in Myanmar will change flight times without notice.


thank you , what are a good site like Orbitz or Kayak to search the potential flights ?

BostonFlyer1624 Jan 12, 2016 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by b747lh (Post 26006751)
thank you , what are a good site like Orbitz or Kayak to search the potential flights ?

You'll have to go to each carriers website. They don't pay to be in GDS systems or search engines like Kayak.

kamaaina Jan 12, 2016 5:00 pm

One advantage of a conscientious travel agent is their ability to keep tabs on cancelled flights and explore other options for you.

I'd booked a Mandalay-Bhamo flight for November 19 that was cancelled 2 days before departure. Since my travel agent handled the reservation she 1) immediately e-mailed/texted me of the cancellation 2) checked for other travel options and 3) sent me options by November 18.

b747lh Jan 13, 2016 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by BostonFlyer1624 (Post 26007259)
You'll have to go to each carriers website. They don't pay to be in GDS systems or search engines like Kayak.

Thank you!

ralphs Jan 4, 2020 3:24 pm

Took 4 legs on Air KBZ domestic flights last month. They were on ATR 72-600s with a 2-2 config. The new ones were in great shape (<3 months old), but the ones a few years older seemed to be in disrepair. Overall, dramatically better than the last time I was in Burma 15 years ago.

quarryking Jan 17, 2020 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by ralphs (Post 31909226)
Took 4 legs on Air KBZ domestic flights last month. They were on ATR 72-600s with a 2-2 config. The new ones were in great shape (<3 months old), but the ones a few years older seemed to be in disrepair. Overall, dramatically better than the last time I was in Burma 15 years ago.

Flights were booked online directly or did you use a local travel agent ?

denkigroove Sep 9, 2023 1:20 am

I have to reanimate this thread bcs I try to book some domestic flights and all international OTA can not issue a ticket and some of the recommended sources above are not alive anymore or there is no response. Maybe someone has an idea.
Of course I can book at RGN Airport but I’m not sure If booking two days in advance is enough time to get a ticket.

plunet Sep 9, 2023 11:56 pm

At a random guess it's due to sanctions. You could as a last chance try a specialist travel agent like Propeller travel (often cited on here, I have never used them) and if they can't book anything maybe contact a traditional travel agent in Rangoon and see what they can do?

https://propellertravel.com/

Possible agents in Rangoon

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...35f7e82623.jpg
Eg. Sun Far Travel


Address : 8th Floor, Building C, Shwe Pyae Sone Market, Mingalar Market Compound, Mingalar Taung Nyunt Township, Yangon Region, Myanmar.
Email :[email protected]
Hotline :09 448001662
The advantage of talking to a local agent is that they will.know what does and doesn't work. I wonder whether making a payment using a foreign card might be troublesome though.

ralphs Sep 14, 2023 3:00 pm

In 2019 we used Columbus Travels for full itineraries including flights, hotels, local drivers/guides, etc. It worked well for this trip and some other trips that other family members have done pre-2020. It came recommended by overseas Burmese-Americans. Here is their contact information.

Branch Office (Inbound Tour Department)
No.290, Room No. 10, 04th Floor, Pyay Road, Corner of ZawTiKa Street.
San Chaung Township, Yangon.
Phone : +951 503830, 523536, 2305838
Fax : +951 2305868
Email : [email protected]
Web : www.travelmyanmar.com

Head Office
586 Strand Road, Corner of 07th Street, Lanmadaw Township Yangon.
Phone : + 951 229245 (Hunt Line) / 227845
Fax : +951 222790
Email :[email protected]
Web : www.travelmyanmar.com

I don't know what things are like post-Covid/coup but perhaps this could be helpful to you.

denkigroove Sep 15, 2023 9:50 am


Originally Posted by ralphs (Post 35580916)
I don't know what things are like post-Covid/coup but perhaps this could be helpful to you.

I will try. Thank you.


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