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Low Roller Feb 21, 2018 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by ayking (Post 29442850)
I currently hold the personal Plat and personal SPG. Had the personal Gold and business Gold before, but cancelled more than 6 months-1yr. I'm hoping to do a MR points run now for some travel in 2019 so would appreciate some help in strategy:

Personal Plat -> Biz Plat (never held) = 75,000MR + 15,000MR from self-referral for $499
Personal Plat -> Biz Gold = 40,000MR + 15,000MR from self-referral for $0 (FYF)

Seems like getting the Biz Gold is a better deal? I intend to keep the personal Plat for its benefits.

Thanks in advance!

Although you plan to keep the personal platinum, the biz platinum has most of the same benefits, so unless there is some specific difference that is important to you, you could cancel the personal (after self-referring) and switch to the biz platinum so that you're not doubling up on annual fees. Then you could self refer from the biz platinum to the biz gold for an extra 10K referral bonus.

grandgourmand Feb 21, 2018 12:38 pm


Originally Posted by ayking (Post 29442850)
I currently hold the personal Plat and personal SPG. Had the personal Gold and business Gold before, but cancelled more than 6 months-1yr. I'm hoping to do a MR points run now for some travel in 2019 so would appreciate some help in strategy:

Personal Plat -> Biz Plat (never held) = 75,000MR + 15,000MR from self-referral for $499
Personal Plat -> Biz Gold = 40,000MR + 15,000MR from self-referral for $0 (FYF)

Seems like getting the Biz Gold is a better deal? I intend to keep the personal Plat for its benefits.

Thanks in advance!

Biz Gold is definitely the better deal. But if you're willing to get the Plat Biz and can spend $10k on Amex cards over the next 6 months (to meet min. spend requirement) you should probably go #1 biz plat then refer from biz plat to biz gold. You get 25k referral vs. 15k. Not much, but if you also happen to have other referrals (friends families) picking up an extra 10k/referral is great.

CAVEATS: there's some speculation the 25k referral from Biz Plat will be reducing at the end of March AND the FYF Biz Gold could go away at any time.

I'd also enter your SPG Amex card # instead of your Plat Card on your application.

ayking Feb 21, 2018 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by Low Roller (Post 29443010)
Although you plan to keep the personal platinum, the biz platinum has most of the same benefits, so unless there is some specific difference that is important to you, you could cancel the personal (after self-referring) and switch to the biz platinum so that you're not doubling up on annual fees. Then you could self refer from the biz platinum to the biz gold for an extra 10K referral bonus.

The personal plat is not due for renewal until November, so it'll be a while before I need to make that decision. Will see how the benefits are at that time since $699 - $200 travel credits = $499.

emilio911 Feb 21, 2018 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by longtimeflyin (Post 29442566)
Do people think they'll give ample notice or will it be a sudden "you can no longer transfer to Aeroplan'?

Yeah, I guess it will be known a few months before if AMEX is really not renewing the contract. But what I'm thinking is that AMEX is maybe looking for something better than Aeroplan since even Air Canada dumped Aeroplan.

emilio911 Feb 22, 2018 3:29 pm

For any French-speaker out there: AMEX's French CSRs are really incompetent. If you want quality customer service, call in English. :mad:

For example, the replacement cards are sent by Canada Post Regular Mail if you speak French with them. However, if you speak English, they give you the choice between FedEx Express and Canada Post Priority.

SOWK Feb 23, 2018 9:26 am

New Referral Rate From Business Platinum
 
I'm sure by now we've all seen the new language on the Business Platinum referral page indicating a change could be coming on March 21st, but interestingly I just received a referral bonus of 20,000MR points when referring someone from by Business Platinum.

On one hand, I'm saddened by the missing 5,000 points, but on the other (if this is the change), I'm relieved.

Any other data points on recent referrals?

gonebabygone Feb 23, 2018 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by SOWK (Post 29450291)
Any other data points on recent referrals?

I have an interesting data point, but I don't know what it means!

I'm waiting for points from a recent referral, but this is what appeared today:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bbb4493faf.jpg

What are 'bonus points'? I've had the card for ages, so this isn't related to meeting any minimum spending.

And why do I have two of them?

Not that I'm complaining :) But definitely confused!

JJonahJ Feb 24, 2018 10:09 am


Originally Posted by SOWK (Post 29450291)
I'm sure by now we've all seen the new language on the Business Platinum referral page indicating a change could be coming on March 21st, but interestingly I just received a referral bonus of 20,000MR points when referring someone from by Business Platinum.

On one hand, I'm saddened by the missing 5,000 points, but on the other (if this is the change), I'm relieved.

Any other data points on recent referrals?

This warrants a call or secured message to Amex to ask why you were short-changed. The 5000 difference is worth a minimum of $50.

JJonahJ Feb 24, 2018 10:11 am


Originally Posted by gonebabygone (Post 29451424)
I have an interesting data point, but I don't know what it means!

I'm waiting for points from a recent referral, but this is what appeared today:

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bbb4493faf.jpg

What are 'bonus points'? I've had the card for ages, so this isn't related to meeting any minimum spending.

And why do I have two of them?

Not that I'm complaining :) But definitely confused!

Good to see the Amex Easter Bunny came early this year! :D


gonebabygone Feb 24, 2018 10:20 am


Originally Posted by JJonahJ (Post 29453627)

Good to see the Amex Easter Bunny came early this year! :D


Nope, I think I figured it out! I have two recent referrals from my BizPlat, and yet each gave me only 10,000 points. So each 15,000 bonus appears to be a top-up to make the full 25,000.

Which makes me a bit afraid that the March 21 referral point deduction might be all the way down to 10,000 points...

Anyone else experiencing something similar?

JJonahJ Feb 24, 2018 10:34 am


Originally Posted by gonebabygone (Post 29453644)
Nope, I think I figured it out! I have two recent referrals from my BizPlat, and yet each gave me only 10,000 points. So each 15,000 bonus appears to be a top-up to make the full 25,000.

Which makes me a bit afraid that the March 21 referral point deduction might be all the way down to 10,000 points...

Anyone else experiencing something similar?

Huh. And when did those 10,000 referrals post? Before/after these make-up 15,000 points?

Curious if your referrals, as well as @SOWK were referrals from Biz Plat cards to open other Biz Plat cards, or were the new cards that were opened the other MR cards that can be referred, namely the Personal Plat or Biz Plat.


reclusive46 Feb 24, 2018 11:10 am


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 29447704)
For any French-speaker out there: AMEX's French CSRs are really incompetent. If you want quality customer service, call in English. :mad:

For example, the replacement cards are sent by Canada Post Regular Mail if you speak French with them. However, if you speak English, they gave you the choice between FedEx Express, Canada Post Priority.

At certain times of the day your also getting CSRs based in France (Or the UK) as well, who aren't overly familiar with the Canadian products.

SOWK Feb 24, 2018 11:22 am


Originally Posted by JJonahJ (Post 29453695)

Huh. And when did those 10,000 referrals post? Before/after these make-up 15,000 points?

Curious if your referrals, as well as @SOWK were referrals from Biz Plat cards to open other Biz Plat cards, or were the new cards that were opened the other MR cards that can be referred, namely the Personal Plat or Biz Plat.


I referred someone for the Business Platinum Card when the 20,000 points posted. Referred another person the next day, and the full 25,000 points posted this morning. I will send a secure message to Amex to see what happened.

JJonahJ Feb 24, 2018 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by SOWK (Post 29453827)
I referred someone for the Business Platinum Card when the 20,000 points posted. Referred another person the next day, and the full 25,000 points posted this morning. I will send a secure message to Amex to see what happened.

Good to know, thanks for sharing.

So we are perhaps seeing indicators that the Business Plat referring bonus may be dropping, and as you mentioned previously, if it's from 25,000 down to 20,000 then that's not as bad as dropping it back to its original (prior to Mar 2016) bonus of 15,000 per approved referral.

I can already see that we will be in for a stream of datapoints where the Business Plat's referral bonus will be 'missing' or delayed for several weeks, much like when the Personal Plat was pushed back down to 15,000, after the 3-month experiment of giving it 25,000 powers. After that happened, throughout the summer and even into the Fall, Amex were delaying many Personal Plat's referring bonus from posting by as much as 8-10 weeks, and I surmise it was due to pulling aside these applications and feeding the referrals through a manual review, to ensure only 15,000 were awarded, instead of the briefly gifted 25,000.

What a revolving world we are seeing in the Amex Canada scene. :)

jcaeih Feb 24, 2018 7:33 pm

My Personal Gold is untimely expiring just ahead of some travel I have to book soon and as I'm planning to change to personal Platinum anyways, I called the customer service to check if travel coverage afforded by purchase with Gold would voided with the switch (based on what I've gleaned here, MR transfers isn't a problem). Here's what they said:

1. If requesting upgrade from within account, the coverage of travel purchased with the Gold would continue to be valid (at the Gold level not the Platinum).
2. If obtaining the Platinum by a referral, i.e. such that the ex. Gold and Platinum would be active for a short time together and the bonus referral points applied, the rep. indicated that the coverage of travel purchased with the Gold would not be recognized.

Wanted to see if anyone has been in similar case, or received the same answers as I did from Amex (just worried it's variable depending on which rep. one speaks to). Thanks in advance!


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