Why the "impossible" connections on AA?
I had pretty much stopped business travel since the start of Covid, but been flying a lot lately on AA (unfortunately) up and down the east coast. Almost all flights now thru CLT are all "impossible" connections, at 30 minutes. If anything at all goes wrong, and the connecting flight leaves on time, you are screwed. Fortunately AA is so messed up right now that I am able to make 75% of connections since the connecting flight is delayed or they leave the door open longer than they are supposed to. I am getting too old to run between gates.
Why on earth do the insane AA ops planners think that a 30 minute connection is a valid connection? They know that passenger loading is so high right now that they cannot fit the misconnects in subsequent flights. Couldn't they alleviate a lot of badwill they are generating right now by overhauling their system to do at least 60 minute connections? |
Originally Posted by Jeffw5555
(Post 34443471)
I had pretty much stopped business travel since the start of Covid, but been flying a lot lately on AA (unfortunately) up and down the east coast. Almost all flights now thru CLT are all "impossible" connections, at 30 minutes. If anything at all goes wrong, and the connecting flight leaves on time, you are screwed. Fortunately AA is so messed up right now that I am able to make 75% of connections since the connecting flight is delayed or they leave the door open longer than they are supposed to. I am getting too old to run between gates.
Why on earth do the insane AA ops planners think that a 30 minute connection is a valid connection? They know that passenger loading is so high right now that they cannot fit the misconnects in subsequent flights. Couldn't they alleviate a lot of badwill they are generating right now by overhauling their system to do at least 60 minute connections? |
I'd add #3 - Search Results
Since #1 above applies and they don't care, shorter connections = shorter overall time traveled and I think that either pushes the result higher in the search or folks sort that way. I've been tripped up by this a few times until I drilled into the details to see how tight the connection is |
I don't get it either, but it's easy enough for me not to book them. Given all the advance press about how this was going to be the summer of misery, I haven't booked a connection shorter than 90 minutes. I've still spent the night in DFW and DEN, but the extra time has saved me more than once.
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Yesterday, I was looking to redeem some miles for a family trip and the only semi-reasonable mile requirements (under 50k for coach) were flights with those impossible segments. I'm not running through the airport with the wife and kids in tow, especially if we are sitting in MCE.
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All I know is I take tight connections thru clt all the time and I have never missed a connection. Maybe it is just luck but with tight connections I normally end up with two close gates. Now Atl kills me everytime,
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Originally Posted by tennessetom
(Post 34443833)
All I know is I take tight connections thru clt all the time and I have never missed a connection. Maybe it is just luck but with tight connections I normally end up with two close gates. Now Atl kills me everytime,
-FlyerBeek |
Originally Posted by FlyerBeek
(Post 34443886)
I'd call it luck. Some of AA's published MCTs for CLT border on physical impossibility, IMO. For example, I believe the mainline->regional domestic MCT is 0:35. Assuming an exactly on-time flight arrival and door closure 15 mins prior, that could give someone 20 minutes to deplane (potentially from the last row of a full plane) and then get from B15 all the way to E42 (granted an extreme example, but definitely a possibility). I'd be challenged doing that, even knowing my way around CLT.
-FlyerBeek I showed up at CLT 22 mins before departure on Monday (brilliant Uber planning, I'll accept awards now) and we made it to D13. IMO, PHX with it's 25 minute connections is far worse. |
Originally Posted by Antarius
(Post 34443898)
IMO, PHX with it's 25 minute connections is far worse.
-FlyerBeek |
I've been dealing with a hell storm the last month of 60 minute connections basically turning into overnights or being put on much later flights out because a single disruption essentially jeopardizes any connection. Considering doors close 10-15 minutes beforehand. You really have even less time than advertised in your connection.
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Originally Posted by safari ari
(Post 34443992)
I've been dealing with a hell storm the last month of 60 minute connections basically turning into overnights or being put on much later flights out because a single disruption essentially jeopardizes any connection. Considering doors close 10-15 minutes beforehand. You really have even less time than advertised in your connection.
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Originally Posted by EXP100
(Post 34444842)
....... jet bridge operator struggling with attaching the jet bridge (a real common occurrence) ......
When they got it going and finally got off the plane, I ran to my gate, and they closed the door right behind me. |
I had a tight connection in DCA this week, but I had the choice of 40 min or 4.5 hrs. Luckily I still made it after we took off 20 mins late but I was one of the last to board. DCA has gotten slightly harder to connect with the new terminal, as it seems like I always have to switch between the D and E gates haha.
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I can't help but think that AA is not doing this on purpose - after all AA had dozens of flights in a given bank. I don't think the planners and schedulers are purposely building in tight connections just to make people miserable. AA 1114 from DCA to CLT feeds passengers into upwards of 100 different destinations - from Florence, SC to Florence, Italy. If the schedule algorithm is such that DCA-CLT and DCA-FLO happen to meet the computer-mandated MCT, the airline systems view it as a legal connection and will publish it as such. I don't think there is a planner who wants a good laugh at Jeffw5555's expense and decides to create a connection that is next to impossible.
If anything, perhaps schedule planners and airport operational managers need to revisit what constitutes a valid MCT on a seasonal basis. At the end of the day, airlines can publish schedules and passengers have the ability to accept a schedule or find something better (unless that tight MCT happens to be the only flight of the day or the last flight of the day). Personally, this summer, if there is less than a 60-minute connection, I'm finding a different routing. |
Originally Posted by MathMusic
(Post 34444905)
I had a tight connection in DCA this week, but I had the choice of 40 min or 4.5 hrs. Luckily I still made it after we took off 20 mins late but I was one of the last to board. DCA has gotten slightly harder to connect with the new terminal, as it seems like I always have to switch between the D and E gates haha.
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