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PTahCha Feb 22, 2022 10:18 am


Originally Posted by shrididdy (Post 34014692)
I had this happen on a JFK-SFO recently. Got upgraded to business cabin at T-48 but couldn't get a seat assignment before or at checkin. Went to the gate at T-1 and it appears the business cabin was overbooked. Gate agent was all confused, and after I insisted a little, gave me a seat in the business cabin. Actually curious if worked only because it was a 3-cabin aircraft and she bumped someone else up to First, which was mostly empty, rather than bump me down.

My guess is their process for regular vs. lower-cost paid upgrades, now that they are aggressively pushing those, is not perfectly in sync.

That's probably what happened. I was in a situation where they needed 1 more passenger to show up to create an oversell situation so they can bump 1 person from J to F, and then upgrade me from Y to J. Alas, that did not happen.

shrididdy Feb 22, 2022 10:49 am


Originally Posted by porphyra (Post 34014761)
This! If F is empty in this case on a 3-cabin they would op-up some J pax to F to accommodate J pax. The reason why J was likely oversold was that the F cabin excess space was floated down to allow the oversell. This happens all the time. Not sure what the reason for the OPs issue was.

Agreed it happens all the time but in my experience if my upgrade clears at T-48 the business cabin is not already full and I can get a seat assignment. Of course it can always happen that they get slammed last minute but I am guessing with the agressive buy up offers it's going to be more and more common.

ijgordon Feb 22, 2022 11:14 am


Originally Posted by porphyra (Post 34014761)
This! If F is empty in this case on a 3-cabin they would op-up some J pax to F to accommodate J pax. The reason why J was likely oversold was that the F cabin excess space was floated down to allow the oversell. This happens all the time. Not sure what the reason for the OPs issue was.

They don’t normally roll the cabins just to accommodate upgrades to J, but for whatever reason the algorithm cleared the upgrade in advance (possible that afterward they sold additional tickets that put the cabin into an over booked situation), and there’s no reason to downgrade anyone at that point if the space exists in F.

meechyathere Feb 22, 2022 11:25 am

EF will often show a few spaces remaining in J even if all seats are taken. The last three seats in F will count against that number. If EF shows space in J at departure, they will process that number of upgrades from Y to J and op-up from J to F.

This was especially common before FD reopened.

PDXPremier Feb 22, 2022 11:34 am


Originally Posted by esc2476 (Post 34013173)
Thanks everyone -

To answer some questions:

There was no equipment change. It was an E175 with 12 first class seats when I booked and what I flew on.

F was filled up, so no broken seat.

I don’t have status with American….I generally fly with them 5-10x a year and have their Platinum card.

You fly with them 5-10X a year and don't even have Gold status? Yikes....depending on the route, that many flights on AS in a typical year would easily earn you MVP status.

VegasGambler Feb 22, 2022 11:59 am


Originally Posted by PDXPremier (Post 34015037)
You fly with them 5-10X a year and don't even have Gold status? Yikes....depending on the route, that many flights on AS in a typical year would easily earn you MVP status.

AS MVP is 20k miles flown. That's a lot of miles for 5-10 domestic flights.

On the other hand since he has the credit card he will probably make AA Gold under the new LP program (assuming that he uses the card)

esc2476 Feb 22, 2022 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by PDXPremier (Post 34015037)
You fly with them 5-10X a year and don't even have Gold status? Yikes....depending on the route, that many flights on AS in a typical year would easily earn you MVP status.

It’s mostly short-haul from DCA. Boston, NY, Florida and occasional west coast or Texas run.

Geordie405 Feb 22, 2022 4:12 pm

Was there an FA undergoing training? I flew AS from FAT - LAX yesterday and 1C was blocked for the FA who was having "on the job" training. He was sat in 1C for take off and landing. Maybe something like that?


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