Yes, you missed an announcement :)

AA announced the details for Flagship Business Plus https://onemileatatime.com/news/amer...business-plus/

Air France now charges 650 (and that’s in euro, not dollars) and that’s one-way. But it’s natural that this would be more expensive for AF than AA charges given how superior of an experience it is.

Interesting. Thank you. What’s funny to me is that the glitch occurred specifically on the three class flights they won’t sell this on. This seems like a pretty desperate move. Since I get everything except FFD as CK, I can’t see paying this much for a meal at the airport.

Exactly! AF actually cares about quality; AA does not. The day that AF follows AA you would know the end is near haha

Good to know. Must have been post April when I last used the service.

Right - the LP ground service blows Business Plus (and Five Star) out of the water.

My original point was that for slightly more $400 vs. €500), you’re getting exponentially more in return. I’m sticking with that despite the price jump. One could argue avoiding customs at CDG is worth a good chunk of the cost.

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First replaced by Premier? And what is Flagship Business Plus
 

Was looking at flights (MIA-EZE-MIA) and the options are Basic Economy, Main Cabin, Premium Economy, Business and Premier - there is "Flagship First" on a 77W and "Flagship Business Plus" on a 772 - which costs more than "Flagship Business" - they want 17K and 12K respectively - so no thanks. The return options have "First" as a heading again.

So is that the official beginning of the end of F? And what is the difference between Flagship Business and Flagship Business Plus on a 772? (well, the difference is $2150 - but other than that?)

So premier is separate from business? Or business and business plus are under premier?

The difference between flagship business plus and flagship business is that plus gets you an extra checked bag and access to Flagship First Dining and Flagship First check in. Personally, I'd consider if it the price gap was $50. Anything more, I'd rather eat at a real restaurant.

Premier is one to the right of Business - under Premier I can see Flagship First and Flgaship Business Plus.

$2150 extra for FFD and an extra bag seems steep

Yeah that's ridiculous.

Comically ludicrous.

You'll have more fun setting stack of money on fire.

If you look at JFK-LHR then you'll find Business (I) at $2500 and Business Plus (I) at $5500. I wonder what happened in the meeting at AA where a voice of reason pointed out that this is crazy and will lead to some very unhappy customers?

But this isn't the end of First as you can buy First on the 77W still – these Business Plus fares seem to be only available on flights without a First cabin.

I’m gonna guess it’s for execs whose contracts specify “flies in the highest cabin” and whose travel planners are dopey as all hell.

I mean sometimes the difference between premium economy and business can be $7000 r/t. Is there really any point in discussing random data points on pricing differentials? Airline fares can be whacky, we get it.

If we required a point to have a discussion - most of the boards would have less than 50 messages. That said, under the right conditions I might spend a couple grand more for Business if that means I am awake for something important. But here we are talking over $2K for an extra bag, a soup and a burger and otherwise the same product. Many of us get 1st check in and an extra bag anyhow (and usually check none).