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Sorry to ask but read 9 pages and ran out of steam. I have 920K miles. I have enough to move spg but would rather not.
If I wait till after 12/1 to make mm will all the points from cc's still count toward it or do I lose the miles from cc that I already have? |
Originally Posted by ontheway
(Post 16998611)
Sorry to ask but read 9 pages and ran out of steam. I have 920K miles. I have enough to move spg but would rather not.
If I wait till after 12/1 to make mm will all the points from cc's still count toward it or do I lose the miles from cc that I already have? |
Originally Posted by EaglesOhThree
(Post 16997700)
what the...??
Originally Posted by chuck till
(Post 16994718)
Until 10 years ago, or thereabouts. Someone else will know the exact date.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 16995145)
For the entire duration of my posting history on FT -- that's 10 years completed now -- 1 Million AA miles granted lifetime Gold status.
Here's a thread that goes to show that: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...s-13760-a.html For those considering options for lifetime airline elite status pursuits, here's a thread about what other airlines have done: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...d-summary.html
Originally Posted by chuck till
(Post 16995588)
The 1990s, then. I remember clearly because I was near 900K miles when they upped the bar. My boss at the time had just qualified.
Originally Posted by dayone
(Post 16996340)
Originally Posted by chuck till
(Post 16994718)
Until 10 years ago, or thereabouts. Someone else will know the exact date.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 16997565)
No source or collaboration for that claim will credibly validate that lifetime Platinum was a systemic benefit for reaching 1,000,000 AA miles 10 years ago or thereabouts.
That claim was debunked by a post I made, a post in which an FT link from a bit more than 10 years ago was provided to show that even then 1,000,000 AA miles gave lifetime Gold status. The goal post has now been moved to the 1990s, but I'm not looking into validation of that as I don't recall anything about 1,000,000 AA miles giving lifetime Platinum status in the 1990s. Then again I wasn't really as deeply involved in this game back then, so who knows. |
Re: the new Mastercard. I've had an AC membership for several years. Am considering the new card since it includes AC access, but am I correct that this would not include the internet access since it's not an AC membership outright, just access via a credit card? And further if I canceled the card at some point and rejoined AC, I'd have the higher fee as a new member?
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My Husband
has LT Gold and never had a credit card that collected miles...he achieved it last year. He is consistently platinum with an EXP thrown in here or there. Recently got the credit card for mileage purposes will consider whether to keep it or not.
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Okay so I assume I can put in 78K miles...then after 11/1/11 if I book an AA coded flight that brings me to a 1MM. I will get a 35K MILE bonus ONCE? and gold status for life?
One confusion, if miles obtained before the date come from CC why will they be separated on line? Or is it only miles obtained from cc AFTER the date will be separated? thanks for the help |
Originally Posted by llachance
(Post 16998965)
has LT Gold and never had a credit card that collected miles...he achieved it last year. He is consistently platinum with an EXP thrown in here or there. Recently got the credit card for mileage purposes will consider whether to keep it or not.
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Originally Posted by thedoorchick
(Post 16998895)
Re: the new Mastercard. I've had an AC membership for several years. Am considering the new card since it includes AC access, but am I correct that this would not include the internet access since it's not an AC membership outright, just access via a credit card? And further if I canceled the card at some point and rejoined AC, I'd have the higher fee as a new member?
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Originally Posted by uszkanni
(Post 16997284)
Maybe AA thinks that making the MM program public under these terms will result in more people actually flying their (and their partner's) metal.
Consider, also, that the previously unpublished "secret" benefit is an open secret in the FT AA forum. Also, consider the many FT messages to the effect of "Now that I know that I can get Lifetime Goal when I reach 1MM, I'm going to try harder to max out my AA flying, mileage runs, credit card use, etc." My conclusion is that the FT community formed, essentially, a marketing experiment addressing the question: "If people hear about the Million Miler program, will they change their behavior in ways that increase our revenue?". The answer is "Yes, they will", thus, the Million Miler program has been made public, thus incentivizing AA frequent flyers to change their behavior, the vast majority of whom have never heard of Flyer Talk. Finally, if the MM program is publicized and the conditions were to remain as they were (all miles, all sources), there would be HOARDS of new million milers minted every day, diluting the value of the elite levels. Thus, they had to limit the numbers of new million milers by counting only BIS miles. The Citi Executive card mileage was added as a way of publicizing this very expensive credit card and only for the cards first year in business. Do I agree with the new conditions? Yes and no. Yes, I agree it makes business sense to publicize the previously successful but unpublished program and it makes business sense to limit the miles to those actually flown on AA or partners. It also makes business sense to drive people to a new $450/year credit card. No, if I were not already past the LT Gold Million Mile mark I would be unhappy that the goalposts had been changed and that my annual credit card spend would be of no use to me in achieving LT Gold, since I am unwilling to pay $450 for a credit card. |
I stopped reading this thread after page 24. Whilst I understand the changes made sense from a business standpoint, I still want to register my disappointment. I just crossed 1MM in June. I will clear 1,1MM before 1 Dec, and can up that to 1,25MM if I swap Hilton, *wood, and AMEX points. I don't think I am going to bother though. The wording "for the life of the AAdvantage programme" in my letter suggests another change is in the works that may cause this programme to end. Looking at AA's severely depressed stock price, I may not be far off. In short, I will continue to qualify for PLT until AA is bought out by DL or someone else.
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Originally Posted by ontheway
(Post 16999021)
Okay so I assume I can put in 78K miles...then after 11/1/11 if I book an AA coded flight that brings me to a 1MM. I will get a 35K MILE bonus ONCE? and gold status for life?
One confusion, if miles obtained before the date come from CC why will they be separated on line? Or is it only miles obtained from cc AFTER the date will be separated? thanks for the help Good luck with that. Once you reach 1 million miles, yes, you will get a 35K bonus once and Gold status for the rest of your life or the life of the Aadvantage program. All miles from all sources will count before 12/1/2011. After 12/1/2011, your existing miles from all sources will count towards the 1MM goal, plus miles flown on AA or partner airlines, but not credit card miles. They will separate the miles on your AA.com and paper statement. Your credit card miles will count towards mileage award, such as upgrades, free tickets and other things like that. They will not count towards the million mile goal. |
AA had to make the change. If the surge in inflation that some people are predicting ever kicks in, a person would be able to get lifetime gold with just one trip to the grocery store.
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Originally Posted by AndyAA
(Post 16999506)
AA had to make the change. If the surge in inflation that some people are predicting ever kicks in, a person would be able to get lifetime gold with just one trip to the grocery store.
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Originally Posted by AAExPlat
(Post 16995828)
OK. I just can't let that one go unanswered...so let's say Mr. Pickles acquired 2MM AA miles whichever way he did. Assuming that AA got paid 1 cent per mile by Citi and other partners (those are the numbers that have been bandied about by those in the know), AA "made" $20,000 in pure revenue off Mr. Pickles. So far, so good?
Now to the salient part... Mr. Pickles then presumably had the ability to use these miles to redeem for J/F awards, right? So with 2MM miles, he could now redeem 18 (!) J tix on CX TPAC or 20 (!) J tix on BA or IB to Europe. What do you think the cost of those tix is to AA when they have to pay BA or IB? The math is pretty clear...Each TPAC J ticket would have to cost AA less than $1,100 just to break even. To Europe it's even less...only $1000 per J ticket. I am not privy to the information first hand, but I venture to guess that AA pays CX or BA more than those amounts for J tix. Now let's do the math for F tix...If Mr. Pickles redeemed for F awards, he would have redeemed 15 F awards on CX or 16 F awards on BA. At those numbers, AA would have to pay less than $1,350 to CX for every F tix and $1,250 for every F tix to BA. I can't understand how ANYONE could possibly argue that Mr. Pickles is cash positive. He generated revenue, yes, but he will take far more out of the system than he put in. Does that sound like a sustainable system? And we haven't even tackled the idea that he can fly AA for life without having to pay for preferred plus seating, bags, etc, which continues to cost AA more money... When an F seat flies empty, CX or any other airline would earn nothing. I would think a pax could eat/drink no more than $150 wholesale cost per trip. An airline like CX might want to fly these frequent flyers in F at a significantly reduced wholesale price to entice these customers to come over to that airline as a revenue client. On many international trips the F cabin is only 50-70% full. |
Thanks AA
I'm glad to see that current "lifers" are grandfathered in the new "official" program. In my current job, I have very few travel opportunities. I had even stopped following FT so I was curious to see the reaction after I received the email from AA. I wasn't disappointed at the discussion.
There are only a few benefits from lifetime plat status. Since, most of my travel is on my own nickel these days, I do appreciate the ability to board early to stash my carry-on, to select "premium" seats and to not pay for checked baggage. My recommendation is the same as several others. Focus on achieving EXP each year. That's where you get the real benefits of free upgrades and priority customer service. Ah, those were the days..... |
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