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george 3 Aug 26, 2017 1:54 pm


Originally Posted by DA201 (Post 28738739)
Increase hub frequencies to ORD & DFW, which have a combined 3 daily flights from JFK.

I'm all for this, particularly during the years that LGA will be reconstructed.

Fanjet Aug 26, 2017 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by george 3 (Post 28739524)
I'm all for this, particularly during the years that LGA will be reconstructed.

Perhaps that is another reason why AA is restructuring its service at JFK as well.

SJC AA Aug 27, 2017 9:37 am


Originally Posted by george 3 (Post 28739524)
I'm all for this, particularly during the years that LGA will be reconstructed.

Yup. I'll go so far as to say that I wish everything served from LGA had reasonable options from JFK -- a far more functional and better-connected airport.

only1percent Aug 27, 2017 1:29 pm


Originally Posted by ashill (Post 28728563)
This is a classic utilization flight, gone from JFK 20:50-05:35. With fuel prices reasonably low, I don't see why AA needs paid F or business travelers to keep utilization flights covering costs at the least, and they don't have anything better to do with a domestic airframe at that hour. And if you're not willing to fly a redeye, you're no worse off than you were before AA started offering this flight.

Assuming that routes continues 12 months of the year, those are GREAT times for skiing trips. Get your full day's work or school in and a leisurely trip to the airport, be at the slopes at 2 a.m. or so, sleep in and have your first runs before lunch. On the way back, check out of the hotel or condo in the morning, ski all day, be on the road by 6 p.m. and no worries about traffic.

ijgordon Aug 27, 2017 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by only1percent (Post 28742649)
Assuming that routes continues 12 months of the year, those are GREAT times for skiing trips. Get your full day's work or school in and a leisurely trip to the airport, be at the slopes at 2 a.m. or so, sleep in and have your first runs before lunch. On the way back, check out of the hotel or condo in the morning, ski all day, be on the road by 6 p.m. and no worries about traffic.

Who wants to drive into the mountains at midnight local time (2am NY time)??? That's asking for trouble!
On the return, only works (for me) if my lodging has a facility to shower after skiing (And mine did at Breck 2 years ago when I flew back via LAX on a "mistake" F fare). Or if they do at the AC (?), I guess I would maybe buy a pass.
And the next day would be a bust, after a 3.5 hr red eye in a domestic F seat!

ijgordon Aug 27, 2017 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 28739154)
Making it far cheaper to run, thus my question above.

Don't the ER3/4s actually have very high operating costs (per ASM)? Which is one reason why they've largely disappeared?

jmr50 Aug 27, 2017 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 28739325)
Appreciate the thoughtful replies! I'l have to ask about that one.

I'm assuming that AA is mostly O&D (PHL-LGA-YYZ dumping notwithstanding) whereas Air Canada and Westjet have all kinds of connecting traffic.

rfrost Aug 29, 2017 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by tphuang (Post 28735746)
I'm actually kind of worried LGA-YYZ will go. AA is really not very competitive on this route.

I go to Toronto a few times a year and until last September generally flew AA, but with those nice planes on which I was routinely UGed (of course, that was under the old system, no telling what would have happened nowadays) now replaced by all-Y rattling metal egg crates, I've shifted my flying to AC and PD, both of which IMO offer a better product.

ty97 Aug 29, 2017 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by rfrost (Post 28752412)
I go to Toronto a few times a year and until last September generally flew AA, but with those nice planes on which I was routinely UGed (of course, that was under the old system, no telling what would have happened nowadays) now replaced by all-Y rattling metal egg crates, I've shifted my flying to AC and PD, both of which IMO offer a better product.

PD in particular is fantastic, if you are going to the city core proper, due to the location of YTZ as well as it's ease of use due to small size.

DA201 Aug 29, 2017 11:10 pm


Originally Posted by only1percent (Post 28742649)
Assuming that routes continues 12 months of the year, those are GREAT times for skiing trips. Get your full day's work or school in and a leisurely trip to the airport, be at the slopes at 2 a.m. or so, sleep in and have your first runs before lunch. On the way back, check out of the hotel or condo in the morning, ski all day, be on the road by 6 p.m. and no worries about traffic.

I don't know if you have ever driven from Denver to the mountains when it is snowing, but it is not an enjoyable drive. It is even worse when it is midnight and there is no light. I was once on I-70 and had to go 20 mph due to a snowstorm at night. If I were to arrive anytime after 9 pm, I would fly directly into EGE, ASE, etc. to avoid a drive. As for the return, it's hard to have a productive day after a redeye that short, so I would probably simply take an early flight. Plus, going back to a hotel/condo for a shower and a change of clothes after skiing makes a huge difference.

If you are going skiing out west for a quick trip and have to be very efficient in terms of time, I would recommend heading further west. Last year, I flew EWR-YVR on AC on a Friday night, didn't miss a day of work because it left in the evening, and was at Whistler by 11:30. On Sunday, I left Whistler around 6, took Cathay's redeye YVR-JFK flight, and was able to be at work Monday morning. I wouldn't have been able to be productive all day Monday had my redeye been much shorter.

ijgordon Aug 30, 2017 8:48 am


Originally Posted by ty97 (Post 28753364)
PD in particular is fantastic, if you are going to the city core proper, due to the location of YTZ as well as it's ease of use due to small size.

Have they finished that tunnel?
The ferry was cool once. Once. ;)

dkc192 Aug 30, 2017 9:17 am


Originally Posted by ijgordon (Post 28755423)
Have they finished that tunnel?
The ferry was cool once. Once. ;)

They have indeed finished that tunnel!

Indy Aug 30, 2017 3:07 pm


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 28737030)
Based on what?

Any update on the rumored AA/LHR route? Thanks in advance.

Fanjet Aug 30, 2017 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 28757064)
Any update on the rumored AA/LHR route? Thanks in advance.

Was it ever made clear if this new AA U.S.-LHR flight is one that AA and BA is not currently flying, or just not AA?

Indy Aug 30, 2017 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by Fanjet (Post 28757141)
Was it ever made clear if this new AA U.S.-LHR flight is one that AA and BA is not currently flying, or just not AA?

I could be wrong but I thought it was a route that nobody was flying. That was the impression I got.


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