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ClipperDelta Aug 25, 2017 6:52 am


Originally Posted by DA201 (Post 28732667)

JFK will have 105 flights per day this winter, and I could see that falling slightly to 100 within the next 2 years.

Are you sure about that 105 number? Even on a peak summer day like today (Aug 25), I see only 90 flights out of JFK on AA (including Envoy). Winter usually doesnt see an increase in number of flights...sure some seasonal Caribbean (e.g., SXM) and Ski destinations come back for winter but these additions are offset by reductions elsewhere (e.g., JFK-SAN and SEA go back to 1x daily from 2x during the summer).

Adelphos Aug 25, 2017 7:04 am


Originally Posted by lowfareair (Post 28732957)
Other LGA-served cities like YUL/YYZ/DCA could be cut or reduced as well

Why would AA cut LGA to DCA? AA seems to like their "shuttle" fights (LGA to BOS, BOS to DCA, LGA to DCA, etc)

lowfareair Aug 25, 2017 9:06 am


Originally Posted by Adelphos (Post 28734258)
Why would AA cut LGA to DCA? AA seems to like their "shuttle" fights (LGA to BOS, BOS to DCA, LGA to DCA, etc)

That wasn't worded amazingly, I meant that they will likely cut service on JFK routes that are also served by LGA. LGA-YYZ wouldn't go, but JFK-YYZ may.

DA201 Aug 25, 2017 9:10 am


Originally Posted by ClipperDelta (Post 28734209)
Are you sure about that 105 number? Even on a peak summer day like today (Aug 25), I see only 90 flights out of JFK on AA (including Envoy). Winter usually doesnt see an increase in number of flights...sure some seasonal Caribbean (e.g., SXM) and Ski destinations come back for winter but these additions are offset by reductions elsewhere (e.g., JFK-SAN and SEA go back to 1x daily from 2x during the summer).

I did not count all 105 flights, but that is the number that AA reported. They release the number of flights and number of destinations served for each hub every quarter.

FlyingEgghead Aug 25, 2017 10:43 am


Originally Posted by tphuang (Post 28734160)
my bad, should have read
complimentary upgrades on these routes are not a given, even for EXP.

This is a tremendous illustration of the difference a one-letter word can make -- "not given" vs. "not a given". :)

ajm883 Aug 25, 2017 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by lowfareair (Post 28732957)
I'd go a bit further for JFK's domestic cuts - I expect to see most/all of CMH/CLE/CVG/IND/PIT/BWI/ORF pulled as they are there to feed the international traffic.

This makes sense -- who wants to trek to JFK if you're going to/from NYC -- but then what does AA do with all of its slots that are used for these routes and the international routes that were cut?

tphuang Aug 25, 2017 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by lowfareair (Post 28734740)
That wasn't worded amazingly, I meant that they will likely cut service on JFK routes that are also served by LGA. LGA-YYZ wouldn't go, but JFK-YYZ may.

I'm actually kind of worried LGA-YYZ will go. AA is really not very competitive on this route.

JonNYC Aug 25, 2017 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by tphuang (Post 28735746)
I'm actually kind of worried LGA-YYZ will go. AA is really not very competitive on this route.

Based on what?

jmr50 Aug 26, 2017 9:24 am


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 28737030)
Based on what?

Well, its all ER4 service versus mainline 737/320-family on Westjet and Air Canada. Also frequencies are poorer.

DA201 Aug 26, 2017 9:45 am


Originally Posted by ajm883 (Post 28735671)
This makes sense -- who wants to trek to JFK if you're going to/from NYC -- but then what does AA do with all of its slots that are used for these routes and the international routes that were cut?

Increase hub frequencies to ORD & DFW, which have a combined 3 daily flights from JFK. Any extras could also be sold or swapped. DL flies DCA-MSN/LEX/OMA nonstop, and with them wanting to grow at JFK and DCA not being a DL hub, I'm sure they could agree to some sort of slot swap deal.

DCflyerAA-YX Aug 26, 2017 11:40 am


Originally Posted by DA201 (Post 28738739)
Increase hub frequencies to ORD & DFW, which have a combined 3 daily flights from JFK. Any extras could also be sold or swapped. DL flies DCA-MSN/LEX/OMA nonstop, and with them wanting to grow at JFK and DCA not being a DL hub, I'm sure they could agree to some sort of slot swap deal.

Unfortunately I know that Republic owns the slots Delta Connection is using for the OMA and MSN flights. They got them back when the bought Midwest Airlines.

JonNYC Aug 26, 2017 11:55 am


Originally Posted by tphuang (Post 28735746)
I'm actually kind of worried LGA-YYZ will go. AA is really not very competitive on this route.


Originally Posted by JonNYC (Post 28737030)
Based on what?


Originally Posted by jmr50 (Post 28738678)
Well, its all ER4 service versus mainline 737/320-family on Westjet and Air Canada. Also frequencies are poorer.

Making it far cheaper to run, thus my question above.

bridge29 Aug 26, 2017 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by tphuang (Post 28735746)
I'm actually kind of worried LGA-YYZ will go. AA is really not very competitive on this route.

I've been (and booked) incredibly discounted fares on routes like PHL-LGA-YYZ, some with obnoxiously long layovers at LGA. This is a pretty clear indication that AA is routing very cheap connecting fares on LGA-YYZ. It wouldn't surprise me if it's toast at some point.

tphuang Aug 26, 2017 12:38 pm

I don't know much obviously. Just found there to not be very few elites the few times I've flown AA on LGA-YYZ recently, which I assume means it's generally a lower yielding crowd. Schedule/aircraft really don't compete well against AC/WS/PD. And the fares on LGA-YYZ are now on average lower than anything I remember seeing in the past 10 years.

JonNYC Aug 26, 2017 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by tphuang (Post 28739308)
I don't know much obviously. Just found there to not be very few elites the few times I've flown AA on LGA-YYZ recently, which I assume means it's generally a lower yielding crowd. Schedule/aircraft really don't compete well against AC/WS/PD. And the fares on LGA-YYZ are now on average lower than anything I remember seeing in the past 10 years.

Appreciate the thoughtful replies! I'l have to ask about that one.


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