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sensei Feb 8, 2017 6:00 am

AA 2017-2018 Fleet Plan
 
The 27JAN17 investor update included AA's Fleet Plan for 2017.

* MAINLINE DELIVERIES (+58) *

- 20 Airbus A321: +8 Q1, +7 Q2, +5 Q3,
- 20 Boeing 737-800: +5 Q1, +5 Q2, +5 Q3, +5 Q4
- 5 Boeing 737 Max: +1 Q3, +4 Q4
- 3 Boeing 787-8: +2 Q1, +1 Q2
- 10 Boeing 787-9: +2 Q1, +2 Q2, +3 Q3, +3 Q4

* MAINLINE RETIREMENTS (-56) *

- 5 Airbus A320: -1 Q1, -2 Q2, -1 Q3, -1 Q4
- 17 Boeing 757-200: -12 Q3, -5 Q4
- 9 Boeing 767-300ER: -1 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
- 25 MD-80: -5 Q1, -20 Q3

* MAINLINE FLEET COUNT AT YE2017 *

- 319 = 125
- 320 = 46 (-5)
- 321 = 219 (+20)
- 332 = 15
- 333 = 9
- 738 = 304 (+20)
- 738M = 5 (+5)
- 752 = 34 (-17)
- 763 = 22 (-9)
- 772 = 47
- 77W = 20
- 788 = 20 (+3)
- 789 = 14 (+10)
- E90 = 20
- S80 = 32 (-25)
- Total = 931 (+1)


* REGIONAL DELIVERIES (+31) *

- 19 CRJ-700: +9 Q1, +7 Q2, +3 Q3
- 12 E-175: +3 Q1, +6 Q2, +3 Q3

* REGIONAL RETIREMENTS (-55) *

- 23 CRJ-200: -20 Q1, -2 Q2, -1 Q3
- 19 Dash 8-100: -8 Q1, -3 Q2, -4 Q3, -4 Q4
- 13 ERJ-140: -13 Q1

* REGIONAL FLEET COUNT AT YE2017 *

- CR2 = 97 (-23)
- CR7 = 98 (+19)
- CR9 = 118
- DH1 = 4 (-19)
- DH3 = 11
- E75 = 136 (+12)
- ERD = 0 (-13)
- ER4 = 118
- Total = 582 (-24)

ty97 Feb 8, 2017 6:23 am

A couple of quick thoughts:

- That is a massive amount of 321s and 738s. Wow.
- The ERDs were supposed to retire several years back and yet they still hang around like zombies. I'm wondering if they really retire this time.
- The MD80s (a few of them at least) keep going into 2018. Did not expect that.

kpfleming Feb 8, 2017 7:09 am

I say good riddance to the 752s and welcome the 321s. Sitting on a 321T now and it's worlds better than a 757 could ever hope to be.

PHLGovFlyer Feb 8, 2017 7:19 am


Originally Posted by kpfleming (Post 27881447)
I say good riddance to the 752s and welcome the 321s. Sitting on a 321T now and it's worlds better than a 757 could ever hope to be.

It does put an interesting question on the table about what they'll do with the PHX-Hawaii and Northeast U.S.-Europe flights that currently use the 752s. Cutting the fleet in half without equally capable aircraft arriving is going to make things "interesting".

CG17 Feb 8, 2017 7:19 am


Originally Posted by kpfleming (Post 27881447)
I say good riddance to the 752s and welcome the 321s. Sitting on a 321T now and it's worlds better than a 757 could ever hope to be.

Ive heard pilots say for years that if they needed the power compensate for a short runway or powering over a mountain, the 757s would be their plane of choice. That said, I too welcome the 321s, as I prefer the Airbus' over Boeings

kpfleming Feb 8, 2017 7:23 am

I have award tickets booked in March, JFK-LAX-HNL in J on 321Ts. Originally these were JFK-LAX-LIH, also on 321Ts, but then AA dropped the LAX-LIH flights from the schedule, and rebooked us in F on JFK-PHX-LIH... on 738s. No joke. I called and had the destination airport changed to HNL, then purchased HNL-LIH roundtrip tickets on Hawaiian, because 12+ hours in a 738 is not my idea of a good way to start (or end) a vacation

diver858 Feb 8, 2017 7:47 am

I believe a large portion of the A321's are beater LUS, without seat power or MCE, now being deployed on LAA routes - particularly in and out of DFW.

Any indication was to if/when they will be upgraded? Parker gave some early lip service to MCE, his actions have fallen well short.

ty97 Feb 8, 2017 7:48 am


Originally Posted by kpfleming (Post 27881504)
I have award tickets booked in March, JFK-LAX-HNL in J on 321Ts. Originally these were JFK-LAX-LIH, also on 321Ts, but then AA dropped the LAX-LIH flights from the schedule, and rebooked us in F on JFK-PHX-LIH... on 738s. No joke. I called and had the destination airport changed to HNL, then purchased HNL-LIH roundtrip tickets on Hawaiian, because 12+ hours in a 738 is not my idea of a good way to start (or end) a vacation

Your LAX-Hawaii flight is not going to be on a 321T. It will be a standard two class configured 321 (with extra fuel tanks). Still a nice plane, but it's not a 321T.

LovePrunes Feb 8, 2017 7:54 am


Originally Posted by kpfleming (Post 27881504)
I have award tickets booked in March, JFK-LAX-HNL in J on 321Ts. Originally these were JFK-LAX-LIH, also on 321Ts, but then AA dropped the LAX-LIH flights from the schedule, and rebooked us in F on JFK-PHX-LIH... on 738s. No joke. I called and had the destination airport changed to HNL, then purchased HNL-LIH roundtrip tickets on Hawaiian, because 12+ hours in a 738 is not my idea of a good way to start (or end) a vacation

your LAX-HNL flight was never going to be a transcon version 321T, that was just a misunderstanding. I'd love to see them fly more of these but there aren't even enough of them to add Hawaii flying into the mix. Enjoy paradise.

aztimm Feb 8, 2017 7:54 am

Has anyone figured out the net difference in overall seats?

With these net differences:
* Mainline +2
* Regional -24
I'm guessing there is a bit of a loss (provided those +2 mainline aren't something huge, but AA doesn't have any A380's coming :eek:)

I know we've seen reductions or even pulling out of some smaller markets due to the loss of regional aircraft.

BillBurn Feb 8, 2017 8:06 am


Originally Posted by diver858 (Post 27881600)
I believe a large portion of the A321's are beater LUS, without seat power or MCE, now being deployed on LAA routes - particularly in and out of DFW. .

From the AA Press release on the 737Max interiors:


This year we take delivery of 40 current-generation Boeing 737 and Airbus A321 aircraft. They will arrive with seatback monitors and power at every seat
So it looks like all the A321s and 737-800s coming this year will have Power and seatback entertainment and I am pretty sure they will all have MCE as well, so fortunately it doesn't look like they will adding any aircraft in the LUS configuration.

I agree with you that those planes are awful and I try to go out of my way not to fly them, but now that they are mixing the fleets it's a lot harder.

flyingmusicianlax Feb 8, 2017 8:14 am

PMUS orders for the A321 finished in 2014. All newly-arriving 321s are of the PMAA or new AA variety.

cmd320 Feb 8, 2017 8:24 am


Originally Posted by kpfleming (Post 27881447)
I say good riddance to the 752s and welcome the 321s. Sitting on a 321T now and it's worlds better than a 757 could ever hope to be.

The 321T is a completely different animal. The 321S is just another crappy domestic plane. Also, I hate aircraft that have to board through the L1 door. Much nicer having the F cabin aisle clear during boarding, also gives the FAs less of an excuse to not offer a PDB.

reeg2 Feb 8, 2017 8:48 am


Originally Posted by cmd320 (Post 27881764)
The 321S is just another crappy domestic plane.

Crappy compared to what?

Seatback IFE, Wifi, Power at every seat and MCE in Y. I don't know of anything better, personally. I think they've done a nice job with the new 321's.

weirdlyndon Feb 8, 2017 8:50 am

Of the 321s being delivered, are they all in 321S/321H configuration? Any towards 321T?

And as an aside, how many 321T dedicated aircraft are there in the fleet?


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